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Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by alecco »

secfirstmd wrote: post #14
Relys wrote: post #6

This is going to end poorly... False flag or not, the coup has given Erdogan an excuse to flush out and exterminate all who oppose him. Anyone want to take bets how long until NATO will revoke Turkey's membership?

Unfortunately NATO probably needs Turkey more than Turkey needs NATO. -refugees, refugees, refugees -2nd biggest military in NATO -Incirlik Airbase -Access and control to Syria -Radar and other intel gathering equipment looking over Russia's belly and Middle East -blocking Russian access to the Med -human intelligence

I'm losing sleep thinking of Puting attacking Turkey, playing his cards. NATO won't start WWIII for this wacko. But the consequenses could be huge.

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by beyti »

secfirstmd wrote: post #14
Relys wrote: post #6

This is going to end poorly... False flag or not, the coup has given Erdogan an excuse to flush out and exterminate all who oppose him. Anyone want to take bets how long until NATO will revoke Turkey's membership?

Unfortunately NATO probably needs Turkey more than Turkey needs NATO. -refugees, refugees, refugees -2nd biggest military in NATO -Incirlik Airbase -Access and control to Syria -Radar and other intel gathering equipment looking over Russia's belly and Middle East -blocking Russian access to the Med -human intelligence

Agreed on this which frightens me more because now it is an actual probability that Turkey will be another country which US thinks "needs to be corrected". Scenario which has been done already on Afgh. & Iraq and the results are all clear.

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by abrookewood »

wildmusings wrote: post #44
twblalock wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, the people of Turkey were going to be screwed no matter how the coup went. If it had succeeded, they would have got a military dictatorship. Now they get a different kind of dictatorship instead. Erdogan was slowly evolving into a dictator before the coup, and now he's accelerating that process. I wonder if the best outcome for democracy in Turkey would have been a attempted coup which resulted in Erdo…

I'd rather live under a liberal, pro-Western, secular military junta, than an illiberal democracy ruled by Islamists who are destroying liberties, hollowing out civil society, and turning the country into a Sunni version of Iran under the Ayatollahs. Fareed Zakaria has a great book, The Future of Freedom , where he discusses, among other things, the perils of illiberal democracy. The bit that really stuck in my head…

I agree with you, but I can't help but feel that this position isn't defensible. Don't they have the democratic right to move to a more religious society if the majority want it?

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by bllguo »

nashashmi wrote: post #91
rtkwe wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it had succeeded, they would have got a military dictatorship. That's not a given. Turkey's military has staged quite a few coups over the years and that's really part of their purpose in the Turkish government order. After a few years power usually transitions back to normal democratic elections.

The point is a coup is opposite to that of Democratically elected process. "Part of their purpose" means the democracy is a farce, and there was never a choice of the people.

The assumption that democracy is an undeniable good, that democratic government suits all nations, needs to be revisited.

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by abrookewood »

waterphone wrote: post #84
baudehlo wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But after this, will that ever be allowed to happen again? This coup, false flag or not, has spelled the end of that control.

Probably not. My only point was that in Turkey, a coup does not necessarily mean a military dictatorship. Which people apparently disagree with despite the facts and downvote me angrily for saying. This fucking site, man.

Maybe it was just the way you said it. Keep posting facts and maintain a reasonable disposition and I think you'll find that the debates on HN are informative and positive. It certainly beats most of the other sites I can think of.

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

allendoerfer wrote: post #29

What's the point of being a dictator? I sometimes think of really cool stuff one should do and think: "Well you would have to be a dictator to do that.". Maybe I am indoctrinated in Western propaganda but off the top of my had I cannot come up with a cause that is worthwhile enough to pursue if you consider the negative consequences of a dictatorship. Maybe AI, space stuff or immortality - essentially the same thing.…

Well, if you're naïve enough to think it would work, you COULD re-enact that bit in Cryptonomicon... And by that bit, I mean the bit about the sultanate, and its associated laws, obviously. Even as a dictator, you can't arrange for a networks expert to be in a prison cell adjacent to an immortal alchemist, trying to crack a WWII era code that will lead him to a secret cache of gold. :-D

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by zyxley »

allendoerfer wrote: post #29

What's the point of being a dictator? I sometimes think of really cool stuff one should do and think: "Well you would have to be a dictator to do that.". Maybe I am indoctrinated in Western propaganda but off the top of my had I cannot come up with a cause that is worthwhile enough to pursue if you consider the negative consequences of a dictatorship. Maybe AI, space stuff or immortality - essentially the same thing.…

> What's the point of being a dictator?

Being able to do anything you want.

> if you consider the negative consequences of a dictatorship

Being a dictator generally involves not caring about the negative consequences for anyone else, while assuming that you can effectively mitigate any negative consequences for yourself.

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

lightlyused wrote: post #17

Not sure what is going on. Dx cluster shows Turkish ham activity. sh/dx ta 14076.0 TA4SO 20-Jul-2016 2142Z 14019.9 TA3D 20-Jul-2016 2101Z 14072.0 TA7DX 20-Jul-2016 2038Z CQ...PSK31 10143.7 TA1CM 20-Jul-2016 1951Z 14016.0 TA3D 20-Jul-2016 1949Z tnx QSO 10143.7 TA1CM 20-Jul-2016 1949Z cq rtty 14016.0 TA3D 20-Jul-2016 1946Z Tnx for QSO 14016.0 TA3D 20-Jul-2016 1938Z 14016.0 TA3D 20-Jul-2016 1937Z TNX 14016.0 TA3D 20-Jul…

They apparently didn't take away all of the licenses.

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by abrookewood »

allendoerfer wrote: post #85
bad_alloc wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) Power feels awesome. You'll use your power to get more power because it feels so good to see those you hate having to bow to you. 2) Educated people are dangerous as they will almost certainly doubt the legitimacy of your rule and more importantly have the ability to plot against you. Hence they must go. I applaud your thinking, as it is empathic towards your hypothetical subjects :) However people like Erodogan d…

Power is certainly nice, but I don't need others to know that I am powerful. I find many situations are much more amusing if you do not share them with others but just acknowledge them for yourself. I think there is a purity and elaborateness to it if you don't live of the reactions of others, even if it is just situational humour or in the case of power "knowing that you could". I like it, because if you are not nat…

You should watch the TV show Narcos [0], which is about Pablo Escobar and Columbia. He has all the money and power that he could ever need, but still tries to amass more & more. It's intoxicating viewing and provides some insight into the mind of people who feel the need to rule absolutely. [0] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2707408/

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by tedunangst »

abrookewood wrote: post #103
wildmusings wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd rather live under a liberal, pro-Western, secular military junta, than an illiberal democracy ruled by Islamists who are destroying liberties, hollowing out civil society, and turning the country into a Sunni version of Iran under the Ayatollahs. Fareed Zakaria has a great book, The Future of Freedom , where he discusses, among other things, the perils of illiberal democracy. The bit that really stuck in my head…

I agree with you, but I can't help but feel that this position isn't defensible. Don't they have the democratic right to move to a more religious society if the majority want it?

Whether majority rights override individual rights is a matter of some debate.
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