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Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by baudehlo »

waterphone wrote: post #12
twblalock wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, the people of Turkey were going to be screwed no matter how the coup went. If it had succeeded, they would have got a military dictatorship. Now they get a different kind of dictatorship instead. Erdogan was slowly evolving into a dictator before the coup, and now he's accelerating that process. I wonder if the best outcome for democracy in Turkey would have been a attempted coup which resulted in Erdo…

The Turkish military has a long history of executing a coup and then returning control to a new civilian government. While military coups often lead to military dictatorships, that has not been the case in Turkey, and it is in fact one of the established roles of the Turkish military to do so. > Turkish Armed Forces see themselves as the guardians of the secular and unitary nature of the Republic along with Atatürk's…

But after this, will that ever be allowed to happen again? This coup, false flag or not, has spelled the end of that control.

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by gozur88 »

hafreni wrote: post #20
mtgx wrote: post #3

From almost a democracy to world's second North Korea, virtually overnight. Impressive. But I also think this will backfire badly for Erdogan.

I agree... This is just a temporary thing for sure. NATO isn't too happy with the outcome of this, so I presume that something is going to come of that.

NATO has been irritated with Erdogan for a long time now. These kinds of military alliances are supposed to promote stability, and it doesn't help when one of your members is provoking potential adversaries, as Turkey did by shooting down a Russian light bomber.

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by sciurus »

DashRattlesnake wrote: post #4

Is he going to start revoking driver's licenses next? I doubt anyone could stage a successful coup if they're forced to use the bus.

Speaking of travel, he's banned all academics from traveling abroad. Also ont he topic of education, he's ordered the closing of more than 600 schools, the resignation of more than 1,500 university deans, and revoked the licenses of 21,000 teachers.

http://nyti.ms/29SUzis

http://nyti.ms/29VJihy

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by waterphone »

baudehlo wrote: post #81
waterphone wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Turkish military has a long history of executing a coup and then returning control to a new civilian government. While military coups often lead to military dictatorships, that has not been the case in Turkey, and it is in fact one of the established roles of the Turkish military to do so. > Turkish Armed Forces see themselves as the guardians of the secular and unitary nature of the Republic along with Atatürk's…

But after this, will that ever be allowed to happen again? This coup, false flag or not, has spelled the end of that control.

Probably not. My only point was that in Turkey, a coup does not necessarily mean a military dictatorship. Which people apparently disagree with despite the facts and downvote me angrily for saying. This fucking site, man.

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by allendoerfer »

bad_alloc wrote: post #64
allendoerfer wrote: post #29

What's the point of being a dictator? I sometimes think of really cool stuff one should do and think: "Well you would have to be a dictator to do that.". Maybe I am indoctrinated in Western propaganda but off the top of my had I cannot come up with a cause that is worthwhile enough to pursue if you consider the negative consequences of a dictatorship. Maybe AI, space stuff or immortality - essentially the same thing.…

1) Power feels awesome. You'll use your power to get more power because it feels so good to see those you hate having to bow to you. 2) Educated people are dangerous as they will almost certainly doubt the legitimacy of your rule and more importantly have the ability to plot against you. Hence they must go. I applaud your thinking, as it is empathic towards your hypothetical subjects :) However people like Erodogan d…

Power is certainly nice, but I don't need others to know that I am powerful. I find many situations are much more amusing if you do not share them with others but just acknowledge them for yourself. I think there is a purity and elaborateness to it if you don't live of the reactions of others, even if it is just situational humour or in the case of power "knowing that you could". I like it, because if you are not naturally very introverted, it takes some self-discipline.

Exercising and amassing power in contrast seems like a more primitive approach to me. The true upper class does not have to show off. The true stars do not have to fish for attention. The true powerful do not need to be a dictator?

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by w8rbt »

niftich wrote: post #50

If you broadcast amateur radio, is it possible to 'hide' from enforcement? Are there mechanisms that an enforcement authority can use to find your physical location? Is it possible to ostensibly rebroadcast a government-approved channel, but with additional stenography or mixing to embed information?

Near Vertical Incident Skywave (NVIS) HF transmissions are very difficult (likely impossible) to track from the ground. They go almost straight up. Hams call them cloud burners. However, they are limited to 200 - 400 mile radius.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_vertical_incidence_skywav...

You'd need a dipole (14 AWG wire) about 5 meters above the ground or an 80 meter loop about 10 meters up. If setup right, the antenna would be difficult to detect as well.

Edit: I'm a Ham. I build wire antennas as a hobby. It's fun.

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by Iv »

secfirstmd wrote: post #14
Relys wrote: post #6

This is going to end poorly... False flag or not, the coup has given Erdogan an excuse to flush out and exterminate all who oppose him. Anyone want to take bets how long until NATO will revoke Turkey's membership?

Unfortunately NATO probably needs Turkey more than Turkey needs NATO. -refugees, refugees, refugees -2nd biggest military in NATO -Incirlik Airbase -Access and control to Syria -Radar and other intel gathering equipment looking over Russia's belly and Middle East -blocking Russian access to the Med -human intelligence

Refugees would not that of a big problem, if only EU states managed it like adults.

As for the rest, Turkey does need NATO

- If it does not want Russia to go frontally against them

- If it wants to keep Cyprus

- If it wants western nations to not help Kurd territories

Leaving NATO would result in territorial losses for Turkey. It would be probably good for the russian sphere of influence, but the Cold War is over, and if Turkey can't be an ally anymore, let's not shoehorn it into the alliance. When will we learn the lessons from Saudi Arabia?

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by nkurz »

ProfDigory wrote: post #45
vvanders wrote: post #9

That doesn't really bode well for Turkey. FWIW the US did the same during WW1 and WW2 albeit under different circumstances.

US did what during WW1 and WW2? Did the US revoke amateur radio licenses?

I guess one could quibble about the difference between "revoke" and "suspend", but yes, they did at least for WW2.

On December 8, 1941, the FCC issued Order Number 87, which read in part:

"Whereas a state of War exists between the United States and the Imperial Japanese government, and the withdrawal from private use of all amateur frequencies is required for the purpose of National Defense; IT IS ORDERED, that except as may hereafter be specifically authorized by the Commission, no person shall engage in any amateur radio operation...and all frequencies heretofore allocated to amateur radio stations under Part 12 of the Rules and Regulations ARE HEREBY WITHDRAWN. All amateur licensees are hereby notified that the Commission has ordered the immediate suspension of all amateur radio operation in the continental U.S., its territories and possessions."

http://www.vpnavy01.com/websites/ke3w/history.html#24

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