Just call them Isis inspired terrorists and the USA will give you free drones and shiny new guns to kill them with.
Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed
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Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
"We suggest..?" Lol Tell that to the people who had democracy bombed into them.
Austrália and US are a great example of democracy and miscegenation. Bad lucky to the "rhodesian people", they didn't killed enough natives to win the land and Institute "democracy".
Mugabe is trying his best to pick up where rhodesians left off. Not sure if has surpassed them, but he is getting close.
Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
No offense, but you sound like an aging white man slamming his fist on the table and hectoring "what we need is a good war!" at family dinners. Human rights, and more specifically due process, are not 'Western', they've just been formulated there. Do you believe gravity is 'white' or 'jewish' because it was formulated by Einstein? And societies that 'get' due process objectively do better: tell me, who does better in…
> You can't _claim_ guilt, you need proof, and to get proof you need due process. You don't need it when you are at war. Killing people is normal during a wa even without evidence.
You are missing the scope of the discussion. My point is that abdicating proper law enforcement has historically always failed at improving society.
Yes you can "declare war". This will certainly not improve your country (Cf Colombia before, Mexico now).
Note that I'm not even making the argument that killing innocents is wrong, I'm just saying that due process works better, period.
Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed
#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
He was clear with his methods BEFORE electios https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/09/philippines-el... Not the usual bait and switch. Like was pointed out, drug dealers are free to surrender. And some have done so. http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/07/09/16/thousands-of-drug-push... My own gripe is pontification of the west when it comes to the business of other countries.
West has all the right to "pontification" since only the West has thus far delivered a high standard of living coupled with respect for human rights. There are no shortcuts, there is no magic authoritarian fairy dus you can apply and leapfrog the West, we have tried it all and it always ended in disaster. We have seen time and time again, both in our societies and in the developing world, that authoritarianism is sel…
In the last century The west has not only engaged in 1 but 2 global wars. Then topped that by holding the world hostage with nuclear annihilation. In addition to engaging in a variety of proxy wars in developing countries where they liked to install puppet dictators. All of this in the name of democracy.
And let's not even get started with the bullshit in the Middle East.
The west has no grounds to state they respect human rights when history clearly shows they do not.
Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed
#235DISCLAIMER: I am a Filipino and I live in the Philippines When an international media writes something without much knowledge on what's really going on it blows out of proportion. Now let me give you an idea of our situation here before the Duterte presidency. HISTORY ============== The Marcoses and Aquinos and their cronies, have brought the Philippines to its knees for decades (50 years). These families are what we…
Mexico could do with a President like that.
No, we're good. Thanks though ...
Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hitler was also democratically elected. What will happen in the Philippines now is that anyone who any grudge with anyone will just kill that person and label him a drug dealer.
Labeling him a drug dealer won't be easy because its difficult to prove that he dealt drugs. The logical thing to do would be to label your victim a drug user instead. Far easier to simply plant some drugs in their house, kill them and collect your medal for saving society.
"simply plant some drugs in their house, kill them and collect your medal for saving society"
Hmm.. No addict's blood testing confirmation necessary, huh?
Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed
#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
He was clear with his methods BEFORE electios https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/09/philippines-el... Not the usual bait and switch. Like was pointed out, drug dealers are free to surrender. And some have done so. http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/07/09/16/thousands-of-drug-push... My own gripe is pontification of the west when it comes to the business of other countries.
West has all the right to "pontification" since only the West has thus far delivered a high standard of living coupled with respect for human rights. There are no shortcuts, there is no magic authoritarian fairy dus you can apply and leapfrog the West, we have tried it all and it always ended in disaster. We have seen time and time again, both in our societies and in the developing world, that authoritarianism is sel…
Chile?
Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed
#238DISCLAIMER: I am a Filipino and I live in the Philippines When an international media writes something without much knowledge on what's really going on it blows out of proportion. Now let me give you an idea of our situation here before the Duterte presidency. HISTORY ============== The Marcoses and Aquinos and their cronies, have brought the Philippines to its knees for decades (50 years). These families are what we…
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Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed
#239It's concerning that the reddit conversation seems more measured than HN on this issue (5 hour mark, 12:00 UTC)
What up HN?
Why does someone saying I live there get them upvotes without logical remarks?
Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed
#240As usual, mostly western commentators sitting on their high horses pointing and pontificating with no idea of local context or understanding. First of all, Duterte was elected overwhelmingly with a clear mandate of using brute violence to clear out drug dealers. He was clear about it and he is delivering on that mandate. I have to accept, he has made a PR error by not calling them terrorists. At which point, he will…
No offense, but you sound like an aging white man slamming his fist on the table and hectoring "what we need is a good war!" at family dinners. Human rights, and more specifically due process, are not 'Western', they've just been formulated there. Do you believe gravity is 'white' or 'jewish' because it was formulated by Einstein? And societies that 'get' due process objectively do better: tell me, who does better in…
> Human rights, and more specifically due process, are not 'Western', they've just been formulated there. Do you believe gravity is 'white' or 'jewish' because it was formulated by Einstein?
Are you saying that human rights are real in some sense? That they're something more than arbitrary legal constructs/a civic religion devised by Westerners in the last few centuries?