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Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by jacquesm » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 8:59 AM UTC

cocotino wrote: post #113

jacquesm wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And killing a large number of people is going to turn the country into a civilized place with police protection? If you're not safe in your own homes because of the drug lords you don't have a drug lord problem, you have a law enforcement problem and a corruption issue. Civilization does not magically arrive by killing a large number of people (and probably plenty of them innocent).

History has proven that doing away with all the uncivilised people makes a society better. When the uncivilised people control a large amount of money, they control the power, and there's simply no hope of just fixing corruption as you propose. I think what this guy is proposing will prove to be a good idea with time, and you have his time as a mayor as an example. Even if a few innocents die. To make an omelette you…

> History has proven that doing away with all the uncivilised people makes a society better.

Citation fairly urgently needed.

Does that mean we will have to get rid of the killers as well? They're uncivilized people as well, after all.

> Even if a few innocents die.

Ah, that's too bad.

> To make an omelette you have to break some eggs.

You've got to be kidding.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by alvarosm » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 8:59 AM UTC

kbart wrote: post #65

tux3 wrote: post #49

An attempt to kill a whole subset of the population, this is genocide, isn't it? It might be appropriate to refer this lovely gentleman to the International Criminal Court.

No, it's not. Genocide has a clearly defined meaning[1]: "Genocide is the intentional action to systematically eliminate an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group" 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

Too bad the druggies don't have a religion so they could appeal to the UN or something.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by ilitirit » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 9:00 AM UTC

Reminds me of a conversation of I had with a Cameroonian recently. He said: "I don't understand how these drug dealers and criminals can get away with so much in your country [I'm from South Africa]. Where I'm from the soldiers will take you to the bush and execute you. That's how they brought peace to my country. The military kidnapped all the criminals and drug dealers and killed them".

I don't have any way to verify this, but he seemed pretty happy about it and hoped they would do it in other countries too.

edit: Wait... did I just read correctly? He gave the public permission to kill drug addicts? That's the WTF of the year.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by aleh » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 9:00 AM UTC

OoTheNigerian wrote: post #43

As usual, mostly western commentators sitting on their high horses pointing and pontificating with no idea of local context or understanding. First of all, Duterte was elected overwhelmingly with a clear mandate of using brute violence to clear out drug dealers. He was clear about it and he is delivering on that mandate. I have to accept, he has made a PR error by not calling them terrorists. At which point, he will…

Do you think folks currently participating in murders will put their guns down once they run our of drug dealers/addicts?

This policy is akin to starting fire in a house to get rid of rats.

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Post by calgoo » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 9:01 AM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #85

geowwy wrote: post #25

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Seems crazy but people of the Philippines knew what they were voting for. This is exactly what he did when he was mayor of Davao: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Duterte#Davao_City_may... To play devil's advocate: Drugs and the criminal networks supported by drugs are a massive problem in the Philippines. Police are too weak and too corrupt to deal with it, but this is a solution that works, even if it does off…

> Police are too weak and too corrupt to deal with it Yes, so let's go kill a bunch of people, instead of reforming the police force.

So can we kill corrupt cops as well then? I mean if we are going to go full circle, lets just kill everyone we dont agree with. That will solve all our issues! /s

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by flexie » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 9:02 AM UTC

OoTheNigerian wrote: post #43

As usual, mostly western commentators sitting on their high horses pointing and pontificating with no idea of local context or understanding. First of all, Duterte was elected overwhelmingly with a clear mandate of using brute violence to clear out drug dealers. He was clear about it and he is delivering on that mandate. I have to accept, he has made a PR error by not calling them terrorists. At which point, he will…

Even if 100 percent of the electorate had given the politicians a mandate to kill drug dealers it would not be okay.

Democracy does not trump human rights and rule of law.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by jister » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 9:02 AM UTC

DISCLAIMER: I am a Filipino and I live in the Philippines

When an international media writes something without much knowledge on what's really going on it blows out of proportion. Now let me give you an idea of our situation here before the Duterte presidency.

HISTORY

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The Marcoses and Aquinos and their cronies, have brought the Philippines to its knees for decades (50 years). These families are what we called the "elites" and they are actually the ones who are pulling the strings behind the scenes. They own the local media and the news that you can watch/read were all filtered. Guess what happens when an international media make our local news as the source of their publication?

DRUGS

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We are almost in a narco-state before the Duterte presidency. Just a few days ago 5 police generals were mentioned that they are the protectors of the DRUG TRIAD here in the Philippines. It was also mentioned that 23 mayors are also linked to the triad and this is just in the 2nd week of Duterte's presidency. It is also rumored that people linked to drugs goes way up the ranks -- senators, justice, congressmen, etc. President Duterte had a list of people involved and the same list were given to the former President Aquino but he did nothing.

Today, a few thousands drug addicts/pushers surrendered. Drug addicts who turn themselves in are given rehabilitation and jail time for pushers. Hundred were taken out by the police because they fought back. One even thrown a grenade!

President Durterte emphasized a lot of times that everybody should follow the law. Police should operate within the bounds of the law but I guess this wasn't mentioned every time a foreigner write about him.

KILLING IS WRONG! But, we live in a different and a more challenging world than the rest of you. What is white for you may be gray for us.

WATCH THIS:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUVA6GDinvM&feature=youtu.be

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by seraa » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 9:03 AM UTC

OoTheNigerian wrote: post #102

jacquesm wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As usual, mostly western commentators sitting on their high horses pointing and pontificating with no idea of local context or understanding. Or maybe they do understand but simply do not agree with either the methods or the goal. > First of all, Duterte was elected overwhelmingly with a clear mandate of using brute violence to clear out drug dealers. This goes well beyond drug dealers (and even then it is not the…

If a people vote for autocracy, is that democratic? Should it be respected?

No. People are stupid.

By the next election cycle given the way social media and the 24x7 news cycle are evolving into just pointless reaction and counter-reaction, voting will be restricted to those who can pass an exam. Like getting your drivers license and being allowed on the road.

We will have a new definition of what an elected govt is. And the commentators here can get back to thinking about things that aren't way above their pay grade.

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Post by atemerev » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 9:03 AM UTC

deanCommie wrote: post #116

atemerev wrote: post #50

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UBI will not happen. Not because free money are not good for the people — they are. Not because everyone will suddenly get lazy and stop working — they won't. Because UBI is unsustainable and won't last more than a year. There is not enough money for any plausible scenario. That's why. And yes, let's give people "free" money and do nothing about hugely overpriced and corrupt healthcare system, education and things. I…

There's more than enough wealth in society to redistribute it from the top 1% to the bottom 50% and give them a living wage. Yeah, the Koch brothers would only be worth 5 billion instead of 40, but somehow I don't think their lifestyle will be altered in any way shape or form. I expect this is probably an unpopular opinion on a forum for entrepreneurs

> There's more than enough wealth in society to redistribute it from the top 1% to the bottom 50% and give them a living wage.

No it isn't. Get an Excel and calculate. It will last about a year.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by calgoo » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 9:04 AM UTC

yelnatz wrote: post #23

libeclipse wrote: post #2

Is this a joke? Surely something so utterly stupid can't be real. This man just gave the public free rein to murder and get away with it. Jesus this planet is insane.

Nope, it's not a joke. This guy just got elected. He was mayor before this, and that's how he ran his city. He had secret death squads that cleaned the streets and "transformed" his city to the 5th safest city in the world. [0] [0] http://globalnation.inquirer.net/125132/davao-city-improves-...

Yea, my mother i law also says that Barcelona, Spain was really safe at night during the dictatorship, with military police on every corner. That does not make it right, or even a good thing. Safety for the sake of safety is not a solution.