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Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by berntb » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 9:42 AM UTC

mih wrote: post #146

jister wrote: post #127

DISCLAIMER: I am a Filipino and I live in the Philippines When an international media writes something without much knowledge on what's really going on it blows out of proportion. Now let me give you an idea of our situation here before the Duterte presidency. HISTORY ============== The Marcoses and Aquinos and their cronies, have brought the Philippines to its knees for decades (50 years). These families are what we…

I see a lot of negative press about Duterte in the western media. Talking to Filipino friends, I have quite the opposite impression that mirrors your sentiments - that people are actually hopeful, a refreshing change after decades of corruption. It also appears that Duterte favors a more pragmatic stance on the Spratlys/South China sea disputes rather than toeing the western line which in the long term is better for…

According to international courts, China is stealing from (amongst others) the Philippines

It is just funny that you blame that on conspiracies of a third party.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by OoTheNigerian » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 9:45 AM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #111

OoTheNigerian wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a people vote for autocracy, is that democratic? Should it be respected?

That's a local affair as far as I'm concerned. But you're taking issue with us on our 'high horses' criticizing it and that should be respected. People have voted for dumb things many times in the past, in my opinion this is one of those times. Might or majority do not automatically make right. If you 'clean up' a city or a country by extra-judicial killings that makes the cure no better than the disease. If the coun…

I'm merely criticizing your criticism (the loop goes on). I didn't say you did not have the right to criticize.

People declare others who win stupid while claiming to to be democrats. That is hypocrisy.

While I similarly think people are stupid, I am not a fan of popular democracy. I believe my position is consistent with my belief. I am criticizing the hypocrisy of being democrat only when you get what you want.

Just like the labour party folks in the UK.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by OoTheNigerian » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 9:47 AM UTC

tomp wrote: post #107

OoTheNigerian wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's a stupid, petty argument that is continuously peddled by figures in non-Western countries as a justification for doing whatever they like. Thomas, you may not not realise you have just written a one line thesis for the justification of colonialism. "You brutes have no idea to run a society. We'll come show you how" Of course, you most likely do not think in such nasty terms however, that is the translation. You…

> "You brutes have no idea to run a society. We'll come show you how" That's quite an irrational leap from what he said... It could also be: "We've tried all this before, we know democracy works better, so we suggest you implement it as well."

"We suggest..?"

Lol

Tell that to the people who had democracy bombed into them.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by rbanffy » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 9:48 AM UTC

OoTheNigerian wrote: post #43

As usual, mostly western commentators sitting on their high horses pointing and pontificating with no idea of local context or understanding. First of all, Duterte was elected overwhelmingly with a clear mandate of using brute violence to clear out drug dealers. He was clear about it and he is delivering on that mandate. I have to accept, he has made a PR error by not calling them terrorists. At which point, he will…

> Duterte was elected overwhelmingly with a clear mandate of using brute violence

Democracy ensures a people gets the ruler most of them deserve.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by Bakary » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 9:48 AM UTC

norswap wrote: post #148

jister wrote: post #127

DISCLAIMER: I am a Filipino and I live in the Philippines When an international media writes something without much knowledge on what's really going on it blows out of proportion. Now let me give you an idea of our situation here before the Duterte presidency. HISTORY ============== The Marcoses and Aquinos and their cronies, have brought the Philippines to its knees for decades (50 years). These families are what we…

Gotta love your brand of moral relativism.

It's easy to have a moral compass when nothing ever challenges it.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by smegel » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 9:49 AM UTC

jister wrote: post #127

DISCLAIMER: I am a Filipino and I live in the Philippines When an international media writes something without much knowledge on what's really going on it blows out of proportion. Now let me give you an idea of our situation here before the Duterte presidency. HISTORY ============== The Marcoses and Aquinos and their cronies, have brought the Philippines to its knees for decades (50 years). These families are what we…

Mexico could do with a President like that.

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by alexmingoia » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 9:49 AM UTC

Let's not forget Thailand killed over 2,500 people suspected of drug use or dealing, and one investigation found no connection with drugs in half of these deaths. [1]

1. http://nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/read.php?newsid=300...

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by maze-le » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 9:49 AM UTC

jister wrote: post #127

DISCLAIMER: I am a Filipino and I live in the Philippines When an international media writes something without much knowledge on what's really going on it blows out of proportion. Now let me give you an idea of our situation here before the Duterte presidency. HISTORY ============== The Marcoses and Aquinos and their cronies, have brought the Philippines to its knees for decades (50 years). These families are what we…

It is always interesting to hear how things are going from someone who actually lives there. I condemn these extrajudicial killings and find it abhorrent to call on the population to kill their neighbours, whatever problems they may cause/suffer. On the other hand, I don't know if I would think the same if I would be living there. I don't know the situation in the Philippines, but in Mexico there are armed vigilante groups have formed to protect their villages against drug lords. I can't really blame them when armed forces of the drug lords are killing villagers indiscriminately to show the state/army who really is in power.

Another thing I might add is that extrajudicial killings happened before Duerte especially in the southern Mindanao region, perpetrated by the army, as well as rebel groups. Nobody (in the western media) has ever given a rats ass about this anyway, and its been going on for over 30 years now. It is another form of conflict, I admit, if you just read what happened there just in the last 2 years, you'd be shocked.[0][1]

[0]: http://www.hiik.de/en/konfliktbarometer/pdf/ConflictBaromete...

[1]: http://www.hiik.de/en/konfliktbarometer/pdf/ConflictBaromete...

Re: Body count rises as Philippines president calls for drug addicts to be killed

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Post by joe5150 » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 9:54 AM UTC

akerro wrote: post #31

Wow, think about it. On one side we have Elon Musk, who wants to build a city on Mars, make interplanetary travels quick and cheap and he's doing it, there are people who want to kill you for your skin or hair colour. There is PM of Portugal who decriminalised drugs (saying: "drugs break families and relations, and so is facebook. We're not going to ban facebook") and there is a president who kills drug addicts, peop…

can you explain how a city on Mars is meant to contrast with racism or...hair colorism(?).

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 13, 2016, 9:54 AM UTC

yelnatz wrote: post #23

libeclipse wrote: post #2

Is this a joke? Surely something so utterly stupid can't be real. This man just gave the public free rein to murder and get away with it. Jesus this planet is insane.

Nope, it's not a joke. This guy just got elected. He was mayor before this, and that's how he ran his city. He had secret death squads that cleaned the streets and "transformed" his city to the 5th safest city in the world. [0] [0] http://globalnation.inquirer.net/125132/davao-city-improves-...

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