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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by acqq »

leereeves wrote: post #9

I tried to separate recent crime statistics from the rest of the paper. Turns out there weren't many: the level [of lethal violence] in 2015 – when a total of 112 cases of lethal violence were reported – was higher than for many years. lethal violence using firearms has increased within the context of criminal conflicts. The number of confirmed or suspected shootings was 20 per cent higher in 2014 than in 2006. The s…

Precisely, there are no statistics from 2016, they published the old information.

And if the statistics are done like in France, they aren't even allowed to note which religion the suspect has, so some simple statistics that would give such a relation are by definition not possible to make.

On one side, it's true, the free society is not supposed to look in the people's heads. On another side, if the perpetrators explicitly tell you why they do what they do, it's really, really wrong discarding that information.

The policies that disallow the access to the non-biased facts are serious limitation in more than one land. As an example in the US, there's this 2001 "Guideline" for the "professional journalists":

http://www.spj.org/divguidelines.asp

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by sgift »

leereeves wrote: post #73
sgift wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First quote: "commit" vs Second quote: "suspected of crimes" Two completely different things.

"Commit" should be clarified. We don't know who actually committed a crime. That should probably be either "arrested for" or "convicted of". "Suspected of" probably means "arrested for", but there too, the author has chosen a word that's unclear.

Fair remark, so let's clarify what I understand:

commit: Convicted of

suspected of: Not convicted

These are as far as I (and the law) are concerned the only two things that matter. If you've been convicted you are guilty, if not you are not. If you're guilty we can say you've committed a crime, if not not.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by egeozcan »

qofcourse wrote: post #82
literallycancer wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents. What do you imply exactly? So Swedish police are more likely to suspect you if you are a foreigner, how unexpected.

It's worse than that. People from foreign backgrounds are probably committing far more crimes than this suggests - but because the police are so politically correct, they UNDERREPORT crimes by foreigners.

You've been bombarding this discussion with your alternate reality. Do you have any references?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by theshrike79 »

trendia wrote: post #11

The way this is worded is weird: Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go." Facts: No. In a report published in February 2016, the Swedish Police Authority identified 53 residential areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. These places have been incor…

A news piece by NRK (Norwegian equivalent of the BBC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24PCOMi3QAQ&feature=youtu.be...

Straight from the horse's mouth (cops in this case). tl;dw they wear bulletproof vests and helmes in Malmö (BP vests are really rare on nordic police officers compared to the US)

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by ra1n85 »

tomlock wrote: post #85
koonsolo wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This political correctness can have a serious backswing when people go to vote. As we have seen in US, and as we will see in Europe.

Not sure what stats back up this claim. I've heard people say this movement is anti-globalization, about the economy, anti-PC, anti-establishment - yadda yadda yadda. Everyone has a theory, and it seems like people just choose the one they like best. Trump at the moment has a very low approval rating - maybe not everyone got what they read into him?

>Trump at the moment has a very low approval rating - maybe not everyone got what they read into him?

Polls also predicted him to have less than a 10% chance of winning the election. Not all data is good data.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by dagenleg »

orcdork wrote: post #53
dagenleg wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are assuming that there's a way for an uninformed reader to get his hands on 'unbiased' media. If you don't sift through the biases yourself the "high-level acquaintance" you acquire will be inevitably biased, since someone had to do it for you.

That's a great excuse for making a semi-totalitarian government mouthpiece look like it's credible news.

On the contrary, I am saying that there are no credible news to be found. Sure, RT is a mouthpiece, but it's unwise to lock yourself in a bubble where all media you consume follows the same party line.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by oligopoly »

otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

Most of the crimes in Sweden is done by immigrants. Sweden is the rape capital of Europe. It's creepy to see this kind of behaviour condoned and labeled as nothing.

Sweden: Rape Capital of the West https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

Everything is factual in that statement but seems to burst some peoples bubble.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by ue_ »

interfixus wrote: post #57
rmc wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? Who reports that people do that? Tabloid newspapers? They've been lying about that for decades. After the 1989 Hillsbourogh disaster (where people died due to health & safety issues, and negligence from the police), tabloid newspaper The Sun wrote a full page headline accusing Liverpool…

In your Twitter account, you seem ready enough to admit the reality of political violence, and even to commend it. (Retweet: "If US folks wanna see more nazi punching, just look at the attempted Pegida rally last year in Dublin. alt-hugs given freely")

I personally agree with him, I can't see the problem.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by Svenskunganka »

polack wrote: post #70
otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

It's totally irrelevant that the crimes has decreased. The point is that a majority of all violence and sexual crimes is performed by immigrants (as confirmed by Sweden's most famous crime professor GW a couple of days ago). Why are you so afraid to see that immigrants are over represented in this category of crimes?

Leif GW Persson, who the above commenter is talking about clarified this on TV just a couple of days ago. The segment starts 18 minutes in and is in Swedish: http://www.svtplay.se/video/12505960/veckans-brott/veckans-b... (hoping there is no region blocking...)

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by edmccard »

Sacho wrote: post #34
otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

Thank you for the actual statistics; can you provide a source for the legislative change? I found sources for 2005 and 2008 changes, but not one for 2013. There's also one particular thing that doesn't pass the smell test for me from your German article: "Less than 1 percent of the total crimes committed by refugees are sex crimes, going against rumours spread on social media that these have become more common with t…

>>"Less than 1 percent of the total crimes committed by refugees are sex crimes"

That seems to mean something different than "less than 1 percent of total sex crimes are committed by refugees".

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