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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by [deleted] »

onion2k wrote: post #27
koonsolo wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? And I don't know if it is the same in Sweden, but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods. So again, nothing to worry about.

Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? I wouldn't be surprised if every country has areas people claim are like that. England: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3647355/Firefighters... Scotland: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/bonfire-nigh... Wales: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/youths-attac…

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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by breatheoften »

ArmandGrillet wrote: post #15
trendia wrote: post #11

The way this is worded is weird: Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go." Facts: No. In a report published in February 2016, the Swedish Police Authority identified 53 residential areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. These places have been incor…

You have a few no-go zones in France, e.g. in the Northern districts of Marseille, where the police does not go except for big operations as it is too dangerous. It looks like it is not the case in Sweden as the police can still go everywhere, even if some districts are more dangerous than others.

Guadaloupe (a French island dominion in the Caribbean) has neighborhoods like this (black communities -- most of the black people descend from former slaves and have been there for generations). I heard about this on a podcast discussing a recent finding that the Guadaloupe Raccoon was actually the same species as the common North American raccoon and was hence subject to EU pest control regulations.

The Guadaloupe raccoon had been a common pet up to then -- and police began raiding neighborhoods with large teams to take people's pet raccoons into custody. These raids were often quite tense and dangerous.

I mention this to provide a case which demonstrates 'no go zones' that do not involve immigration. Its my guess that immigration is almost never the cause of a no-go-zone neighborhood -- I think such neighborhoods are almost always the result of real systemic social biases that cause socio-economic problems.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by orcdork »

dagenleg wrote: post #33
mseebach wrote: post #22

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Different media for different purposes. There are many of these highly biased "marginal" media outlets that often contain tidbits of facts that aren't reported elsewhere, and yes, sometimes it's because those facts don't match the (oppositely biased) narrative (and sometimes it's because those facts are indeed not relevant for reporting), and that's useful for surfacing these facts so you can make up your own mind. B…

You are assuming that there's a way for an uninformed reader to get his hands on 'unbiased' media. If you don't sift through the biases yourself the "high-level acquaintance" you acquire will be inevitably biased, since someone had to do it for you.

That's a great excuse for making a semi-totalitarian government mouthpiece look like it's credible news.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by snsr »

dagenleg wrote: post #13
tormeh wrote: post #10

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Breitbart, RT etc. are obviously not valid sources.

I disagree. RT is very biased, but is fairly factual once you learn to ignore the bias. They do a lot of pretty impressive journalistic work, like frontline reporting. If you exclude it completely, you miss a big part of the picture.

> RT is very biased, but is fairly factual once you learn to ignore the bias. If you exclude it completely, you miss a big part of the picture.

It's nothing more than propaganda and disinformation with an agenda.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by kahrkunne »

rmc wrote: post #28
koonsolo wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? And I don't know if it is the same in Sweden, but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods. So again, nothing to worry about.

> Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? Who reports that people do that? Tabloid newspapers? They've been lying about that for decades. After the 1989 Hillsbourogh disaster (where people died due to health & safety issues, and negligence from the police), tabloid newspaper The Sun wrote a full page headline accusing Liverpool…

Not Belgium but the Netherlands, I've seen it myself. Here it's a public issue, even being discussed in parliament.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by interfixus »

rmc wrote: post #28
koonsolo wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? And I don't know if it is the same in Sweden, but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods. So again, nothing to worry about.

> Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? Who reports that people do that? Tabloid newspapers? They've been lying about that for decades. After the 1989 Hillsbourogh disaster (where people died due to health & safety issues, and negligence from the police), tabloid newspaper The Sun wrote a full page headline accusing Liverpool…

In your Twitter account, you seem ready enough to admit the reality of political violence, and even to commend it. (Retweet: "If US folks wanna see more nazi punching, just look at the attempted Pegida rally last year in Dublin. alt-hugs given freely")

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by ra1n85 »

piva00 wrote: post #40
koonsolo wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? And I don't know if it is the same in Sweden, but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods. So again, nothing to worry about.

No, not like that at the fucking all. I live in Stockholm, I just came today to my home from a friend's place that is in one of these pesky little maps marking it as a "no-go zone". Seriously, there's nothing alarming there at all, it's a very normal area a little bit outside the center with more affordable housing (compared to the center of Stockholm but not even near "cheap") and that's about it. I've stayed on tha…

What's with the uptick in "grenade attacks"? Seems like there's been more in 2016 than in the four year period leading up to 2012? Really curious as to how this is a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Swe...

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by sheraz »

piva00 wrote: post #40
koonsolo wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? And I don't know if it is the same in Sweden, but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods. So again, nothing to worry about.

No, not like that at the fucking all. I live in Stockholm, I just came today to my home from a friend's place that is in one of these pesky little maps marking it as a "no-go zone". Seriously, there's nothing alarming there at all, it's a very normal area a little bit outside the center with more affordable housing (compared to the center of Stockholm but not even near "cheap") and that's about it. I've stayed on tha…

Which t-bana stop or neighborhood?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by [deleted] »

trendia wrote: post #11

The way this is worded is weird: Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go." Facts: No. In a report published in February 2016, the Swedish Police Authority identified 53 residential areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. These places have been incor…

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