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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by trendia »

koonsolo wrote: post #12
trendia wrote: post #11

The way this is worded is weird: Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go." Facts: No. In a report published in February 2016, the Swedish Police Authority identified 53 residential areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. These places have been incor…

Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? And I don't know if it is the same in Sweden, but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods. So again, nothing to worry about.

Well according to this article, crime across the whole country has gone down, so who really cares if there are pockets where the violence is so bad that police can't do their job?

I mean, who cares if there are 30 gernade attacks in Malmo [0] as long as overall deaths in Stockholm habe gone down by more than 30?

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_S...

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by mseebach »

dagenleg wrote: post #13
tormeh wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Breitbart, RT etc. are obviously not valid sources.

I disagree. RT is very biased, but is fairly factual once you learn to ignore the bias. They do a lot of pretty impressive journalistic work, like frontline reporting. If you exclude it completely, you miss a big part of the picture.

Different media for different purposes. There are many of these highly biased "marginal" media outlets that often contain tidbits of facts that aren't reported elsewhere, and yes, sometimes it's because those facts don't match the (oppositely biased) narrative (and sometimes it's because those facts are indeed not relevant for reporting), and that's useful for surfacing these facts so you can make up your own mind. But this only works for a highly informed reader who is deeply familiar with the subject, so they can sift through the bias and pull out the facts.

BUT -- they are emphatically worse than useless for getting high-level acquainted with an unfamiliar subject, which seems to be what's at stake here.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by otalp »

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014.

Also the Swedish national council for crime prevention expected this rise over the last few years because in 2013(before there was a serious influx of migrants) Sweden broadened the definition of rape. A similar increase in crime was seen around 2006 because of 'legislative changes' about how things were recorded.

In the US research on the link between immigration and crime largely find no link between the two[2], and of the relative minority of studies that find a link, there are twice as many studies that find that increased migration reduces crime as the reverse.

In Germany, refugees are less likely to commit a crime than the average citizen[3]. From the publicly available information it is impossible to conclude with certainty that taking in refugees increases crime, especially considering that the vast majority of 'crimes' they do commit are non-violent things like not travelling with a ticket.[3]

What is rarely mentioned is the increasing crimes committed against refugees in refugee camps. In germany, there were 1,029 attacks against refugee residences in 2015, following 199 in 2014. Attacks on refugees increase the crime rate themselves.

[1]-https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statist...

[2]-(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime#United_S...).

[3]-https://www.thelocal.de/20151113/police-refugees-commit-less...

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by koonsolo »

barking wrote: post #17

It's a bit simplistic to speak only about migrants. In the case of Islamic terrorism, I've heard it commented that recruits come from the children of migrants rather than the migrants themselves. This certainly seemed to borne out by the London 7/7 bombers and the Charlie Hebdo attackers to name two cases. Prison populations in western countries also seem to have disproportionate numbers of ethnic minorities. I also…

This political correctness can have a serious backswing when people go to vote. As we have seen in US, and as we will see in Europe.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by demonshalo »

I would personally recommend you follow https://twitter.com/ArgBlatteTalar. He breaks down all the hypocrisy regarding this particular topic in his videos on YouTube. Sources for his video material can be found in the description box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1_viPSD-bY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lsoZ0uDOGY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9Qwr6KvmUc

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by Sacho »

devwastaken wrote: post #18
leereeves wrote: post #9

I tried to separate recent crime statistics from the rest of the paper. Turns out there weren't many: the level [of lethal violence] in 2015 – when a total of 112 cases of lethal violence were reported – was higher than for many years. lethal violence using firearms has increased within the context of criminal conflicts. The number of confirmed or suspected shootings was 20 per cent higher in 2014 than in 2006. The s…

>The number of reported rapes in Sweden has risen This part atleast, as explained to me, is because rape has a much wider statistical definition. All sexual assault supposedly is classified under it, penetration not required.

The last time the rape law was significantly changed, according to Wikipedia, was in 2005(legislature) and 2008(Supreme Court case). I couldn't read whether the government article cited a source for the law changes(don't know Swedish), so that's the best I have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#Legislation

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by onion2k »

koonsolo wrote: post #12
trendia wrote: post #11

The way this is worded is weird: Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go." Facts: No. In a report published in February 2016, the Swedish Police Authority identified 53 residential areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. These places have been incor…

Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? And I don't know if it is the same in Sweden, but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods. So again, nothing to worry about.

Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right?

I wouldn't be surprised if every country has areas people claim are like that.

England: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3647355/Firefighters... Scotland: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/bonfire-nigh... Wales: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/youths-attacked... USA: http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2015/12/01/at... Ireland: http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/watch-sickening-mo...

Those links are only to illustrate what people claim happen. They're not necessarily representative of what things are actually like. Talking to people who live in these places is just about the only way to get a good idea.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by rmc »

koonsolo wrote: post #12
trendia wrote: post #11

The way this is worded is weird: Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go." Facts: No. In a report published in February 2016, the Swedish Police Authority identified 53 residential areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. These places have been incor…

Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? And I don't know if it is the same in Sweden, but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods. So again, nothing to worry about.

> Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right?

Who reports that people do that? Tabloid newspapers? They've been lying about that for decades.

After the 1989 Hillsbourogh disaster (where people died due to health & safety issues, and negligence from the police), tabloid newspaper The Sun wrote a full page headline accusing Liverpool fans of attacking police who were trying to save people. It was a complete fabrication.

"Those people" attacking our police/first responders is a common lie that sells tabloid newspapers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster#The_Sun

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by DanBC »

dagenleg wrote: post #13
tormeh wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Breitbart, RT etc. are obviously not valid sources.

I disagree. RT is very biased, but is fairly factual once you learn to ignore the bias. They do a lot of pretty impressive journalistic work, like frontline reporting. If you exclude it completely, you miss a big part of the picture.

RT is not factual, and many of the facts RT broadcasts are deliberate falsehoods.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by arethuza »

ArmandGrillet wrote: post #15
trendia wrote: post #11

The way this is worded is weird: Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go." Facts: No. In a report published in February 2016, the Swedish Police Authority identified 53 residential areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. These places have been incor…

You have a few no-go zones in France, e.g. in the Northern districts of Marseille, where the police does not go except for big operations as it is too dangerous. It looks like it is not the case in Sweden as the police can still go everywhere, even if some districts are more dangerous than others.

I remember hearing something similar from a policeman here in Scotland ~30 years ago - to arrest someone who they expected to be violent from a high-rise in a rougher area would need a remarkable number of people involved as they didn't want to let anyone be out of sight of anyone else so that meant someone standing on each landing on the stairs.

And that's nothing to do with immigrants just us Scots and our unfortunate propensity for violence (see: radge).

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