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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

koonsolo wrote: post #12
trendia wrote: post #11

The way this is worded is weird: Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go." Facts: No. In a report published in February 2016, the Swedish Police Authority identified 53 residential areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. These places have been incor…

Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? And I don't know if it is the same in Sweden, but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods. So again, nothing to worry about.

The kids near me do that. They even set fire to abandoned buildings in order to ensure the fire-fighters show up.

They're not migrants, refugees or any kind of ethnic minority though. Just poor and bored.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by qofcourse »

literallycancer wrote: post #74
leereeves wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In Germany, refugees are less likely to commit a crime than the average citizen Meanwhile in Sweden: > According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents.

>> According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents. What do you imply exactly? So Swedish police are more likely to suspect you if you are a foreigner, how unexpected.

It's worse than that. People from foreign backgrounds are probably committing far more crimes than this suggests - but because the police are so politically correct, they UNDERREPORT crimes by foreigners.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by alicorn »

koonsolo wrote: post #12
trendia wrote: post #11

The way this is worded is weird: Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go." Facts: No. In a report published in February 2016, the Swedish Police Authority identified 53 residential areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. These places have been incor…

Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? And I don't know if it is the same in Sweden, but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods. So again, nothing to worry about.

I think one of the problems when talking about these issues is the frame of reference. I have lived in the most dangerous part of our town (Linköping) for several years. I come from Latvia where a 'dangerous' part of a town meant that you do not go there because you will be robbed / knifed / shot in broad daylight. It was absolutely not the case with the most dangerous part of Linköping, even though people who had not had a direct experience with the place kept talking about it in the same way as I would talk about a true 'no-go' zone in Latvia. The worst thing that happened to me there was that my bicycle got stolen because I had forgotten to lock it overnight. My kid was playing outside unsupervised every day, I was coming home alone in the middle of night etc. Never had a single unpleasant experience.

The same is true about rape. In Sweden, the definition of rape and sexual abuse is incredibly broad. I know a person who got accused of sexual abuse by his wife because she said he had slipped up a finger in her vagina while asleep without her consent. Once. Several years ago. Can you imagine any other country where a case like this would ever be looked at even remotely seriously? Moreover, incidents involving sexual abuse are reported a lot more often, because everyone is a lot more informed about what consent means and what their rights are. It is highly unusual in the global context. So rape in Sweden is nothing like rape pretty much anywhere else in the world.

I could talk a lot more about these issues, but these two points are the most important to keep in mind when discussing crime in Sweden relative to crime everywhere else in the world.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by leereeves »

literallycancer wrote: post #74
leereeves wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In Germany, refugees are less likely to commit a crime than the average citizen Meanwhile in Sweden: > According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents.

>> According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents. What do you imply exactly? So Swedish police are more likely to suspect you if you are a foreigner, how unexpected.

I think you made just the leap the authors intended you to.

I wish the authors had included a link to that study so we could see what "suspected of" means exactly.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by tomlock »

koonsolo wrote: post #24
barking wrote: post #17

It's a bit simplistic to speak only about migrants. In the case of Islamic terrorism, I've heard it commented that recruits come from the children of migrants rather than the migrants themselves. This certainly seemed to borne out by the London 7/7 bombers and the Charlie Hebdo attackers to name two cases. Prison populations in western countries also seem to have disproportionate numbers of ethnic minorities. I also…

This political correctness can have a serious backswing when people go to vote. As we have seen in US, and as we will see in Europe.

Not sure what stats back up this claim. I've heard people say this movement is anti-globalization, about the economy, anti-PC, anti-establishment - yadda yadda yadda. Everyone has a theory, and it seems like people just choose the one they like best.

Trump at the moment has a very low approval rating - maybe not everyone got what they read into him?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by maaaats »

tdkl wrote: post #76

Swedish source confirms Swedish political narrative, very trust worthy. /s Let's go and convince all the victims of crimes in recent years that they're just imaginging things and they're safer then ever. And hand out more "don't grope me" bracelets for extra protection[1]. [1] http://www.thelocal.se/20160629/swedish-police-to-hand-out-a... [edit] Classic HN, don't forget to upvote the guy who says physically assaulti…

> Let's go and convince all the victims of crimes in recent years that they're just imaginging things and they're safer then ever.

No one has said crimes haven't happened. Your post is a giant straw man.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by laxentasken »

polack wrote: post #70
otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

It's totally irrelevant that the crimes has decreased. The point is that a majority of all violence and sexual crimes is performed by immigrants (as confirmed by Sweden's most famous crime professor GW a couple of days ago). Why are you so afraid to see that immigrants are over represented in this category of crimes?

Because politics, really.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by qofcourse »

Sacho wrote: post #34
otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

Thank you for the actual statistics; can you provide a source for the legislative change? I found sources for 2005 and 2008 changes, but not one for 2013. There's also one particular thing that doesn't pass the smell test for me from your German article: "Less than 1 percent of the total crimes committed by refugees are sex crimes, going against rumours spread on social media that these have become more common with t…

Long story short: "Islamic rape is no problem" is fake news.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by pluma »

interfixus wrote: post #57
rmc wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? Who reports that people do that? Tabloid newspapers? They've been lying about that for decades. After the 1989 Hillsbourogh disaster (where people died due to health & safety issues, and negligence from the police), tabloid newspaper The Sun wrote a full page headline accusing Liverpool…

In your Twitter account, you seem ready enough to admit the reality of political violence, and even to commend it. (Retweet: "If US folks wanna see more nazi punching, just look at the attempted Pegida rally last year in Dublin. alt-hugs given freely")

By _protesters_ against other _protesters_. There's surely a difference between someone at a political rally being punched by someone with a different political opinion (especially by someone from the "black block", which largely serves to make these crimes harder to attach to a single individual), and LEOs or EMTs being attacked during routine circumstances.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by qofcourse »

jl6 wrote: post #66
koonsolo wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This political correctness can have a serious backswing when people go to vote. As we have seen in US, and as we will see in Europe.

I understand that one motivation behind not providing crime breakdowns by ethnicity is to avoid providing information that might be used without context to justify hate. But it is also a little racist to try to hide the problem, as if criminality is inherent to the ethnicity and cannot be solved, so may as well be ignored.

Quite true - and the level of Orwellian thought-control that bureaucrats are engaging in, in order to hide facts because it might "justify hate" - is much more terrifying than the hate itself.
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