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Re: MasterCard to open up network to cryptocurrencies

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Why don’t you provide some data instead of conjecture. We generally don’t accept that the government inflation numbers are just plain wrong without substantiation.

Sometimes common sense trumps data. You dont need data to know that the sky is blue. That being said parent did not help himself throwing statements out there without a foundation. Here is what i believe he should have said: CPI for goods fails in the following: Accounting for changes in sizes and quality of certain products (i.e. instead of raising prices vendor will lower quality or amount of product ) Accounting f…

> Sometimes common sense trumps data.

Data always trumps common sense, that's why we have science :) - if science had a motto that would be it! Sometimes we need more data, but common sense is often trivially wrong.

I would argue we do in fact need data to show the sky is blue. The data shows us the sky is not in fact "blue" but rather a blend of various peaks and valleys of radiation. [2] It's not so much blue as a bunch of colors at once that happen to be blue-dominant. Further it’s actually the “inverse of blue” in that blue is allowed to pass but all the other colors are absorbed.

> Accounting for substitutions of products in the cpi itself which are not reliable substitutes, or the exclusion of certain items (housing) which are clearly inflationary.

Housing on a $/sqft basis has tracked inflation since the 1970s across the US. What's changed is zoning policy, but zoning policy isn't a function of money supply. [1]

A reduction in welfare is not necessarily inflation or monetary policy, it can just as easily be social policy. You can't pin all society's ills on the evil Fed and their consistent and predictable 2% rate of inflation.

> Accounting for healthcare costs is fundamentally flawed.

Healthcare costs exceed inflation. That's not a function of monetary policy, it's a function of a fundamentally flawed healthcare system in the US that needs to be fixed. That's not the Fed's job, that's social policy.

> There is also a lot of criticism made for the boskin commision changes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boskin_Commission to cpi which messed with base prices and thus with true measurement of cpi.

Peoples needs, wants and expectations change over time. In the same way the S&P 500 and Dow Jones cycle through companies that are no longer relevant, doing so with the CPI basket is the only rational thing to do. For instance, Caviar and Lobster used to be crap food for poor people -- they're crazy expensive now. Is that inflation? Of course not. Totally fair to eject them from the basket.

[1] https://fee.org/articles/new-homes-today-have-twice-the-squa...

[2] https://www.antenna-theory.com/tutorial/whyistheskyblue/purp...

Re: MasterCard to open up network to cryptocurrencies

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I'm sorry you're just wrong about that though. On average, the price per square foot of housing in the US is exactly the same now as it was in the 1970s, on an inflation adjusted basis. [1] In major metros, that number is higher, because of city policy, but on average, the number is flat. That means on an inflation adjusted basis in rural areas houses are cheaper per square foot. Once you take into account that inter…

You're not necessarily wrong that the causes of the increases in prices for things like healthcare, etc. are due to policy issues, among other things. But you can kind of make that argument for any good or service - that that the increase in the price of x is a "specific industry/policy issue" and not a "monetary issue". That doesn't negate the fact that people are still paying higher prices. If the fed is mandated w…

> That doesn't negate the fact that people are still paying higher prices. If the fed is mandated with controlling the increase in prices then it is still upon them to address it, no? The fact that monetary policy is not a primary cause of the good/service specific inflation is irrelevant.

If 'everything is going up the same amount' then sure. If one particular contributor makes an outsized move in the wrong direction what's the fed to do? Fire up the printer at the cost of all of the other areas of life that aren't going up?

Healthcare contributes to inflation, sure, but if government passes a 50% tax on all healthcare procedures overnight, that's not the Fed's job to rectify. It's not their job to fight Congress on how relatively expensive certain things are. If the government decides healthcare should only be for the rich (...er) then it's not the Fed's job to change that.

They would account for what the newly more expensive healthcare cost does to inflation as a whole, and increase or decrease the money supply to match.

Their job is systemic, not targeted. Want cheaper healthcare? Talk to congress, not Janet Yellen.

Re: MasterCard to open up network to cryptocurrencies

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These stories usually spur more enthusiasm for buying cryptocurrency, but ironically those buyers aren’t interested in spending cryptocurrency using their MasterCard. They’re hoping other people will buy cryptocurrency from these announcements, driving the price up. Or, more likely, they’re just hoping other people will buy cryptocurrency and not use it in these spending systems. Spending cryptocurrency would result…

What's the point of an unstable, volatile, frantically manipulated currency that is susceptible to social media pump and dump schemes (Elon + Doge)? Currency and its exchange rate needs to be relatively stable for the world to put trust into it. Saying that BTC is stable, but the rest of the world's fiat currency is fluctuating makes no sense. US dollar provides stability and security, I feel confident that a cappucc…

You (and most of the world) continues to miss the point of Bitcoin, just read the title of the white paper. It is a digital CASH payments network.

This threatens the bankers and government so they have largely coopted the project and twisted Bitcoin Core into some sick settlement layer for their "second layer" products.

Real Bitcoin (now called Bitcoin Cash) continues to be stable with low fees and instant transactions.

Re: MasterCard to open up network to cryptocurrencies

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I used to think cryptocurrency was a solution in search of a problem, but the Robinhood fiasco has made me think otherwise. I find their clearing house explanation woefully insufficient in details, and open to the possiblity of being technically the truth but misleading (for example, they gave mass margin to lots of new accounts so they technically lacked collateral, but if they stopped new signups then cleared cash…

This is some kind of astroturfing

This is against the site guidelines. Would you mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting to HN? We'd appreciate it. As they say, if you're worried about abuse, the thing to do is to email hn@ycombinator.com so we can look into it. For many past explanations on this issue, see https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme....

Also, could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments generally? You've unfortunately been doing a ton of that lately. We're trying for something a bit different than that on this site—if you'd optimize more for signal/noise in your HN comments, we'd appreciate it.

Re: MasterCard to open up network to cryptocurrencies

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First part of your argument - Isn’t this literally the argument against every new anything? Second part - I think you’re also misunderstanding? Central banks hold gold and other countries currencies for international clearing, export/import, and national security reasons. A central bank is not holding them for price stability and inflation control. Only a small handful of central banks (the fed) meaningfully target t…

> First part of your argument - Isn’t this literally the argument against every new anything? Oh, that wasn't meant to be an argument against something new. As I said repeatedly, it's an argument against BTC as it exists now and as it will be for the foreseeable future. The expectations for a stable "national" currency are incompatible with the pillars of BTC. That was my original point. The Fed, the ECB, the Central…

I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding my comment, and we're mostly agreeing with each other - apologies if I wasn't clear!

I was quite explicitly referring to speculative future events, and how their odds of happening directly impact current pricing of bitcoin.

USD is reasonably well regulated now and has been historically - by some definition - at least as well as any of its competitor currencies, though none of them are looking particularly great right now by traditional measures.

What are the odds it will remain so for 10 years? 20 years? 50 years? Less than 100%, better than 0%.

As BTC addresses issues over the next 10, 20, 50 years - could it be a viable option for central bank clearing in the way JPY, USD, or gold is now? What are the odds? 100%? 0%?

With the work, attention, and considering the existing progress it's made, will it be a viable option for a trans-national or even national currency over the same time frames? What are the odds? 0%? 100%?

I'm pointing out that 1) none of those options is clearly a 0% or 100% outcome over the time frames we're talking about 2) depending on your individual judgement and how optimistic or pessimistic you are about various parts of these equations, depends on what you think BTC's value currently is.

Even people just hedging their bets against a not impossible outcome can lead to a deflationary spiral, leading to high prices until there is clear data one way or another where things will end up.

Re: MasterCard to open up network to cryptocurrencies

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My worry is that we will continue to see the pace of international money transfers increase as competition, trust and infrastructure improves. Bitcoin, on the other hand, is limited structurally by the very mechanism that guarantees its accuracy. Today miners burn 77Kwh of energy to mine the block that records your transaction[1]. Sure hashing tech might get more efficient, but the block mining complexity increases t…

Staking (for Ethereum 2.0) will be the mechanism over the current proof of work method. This will reduce the energy cost significantly by removing the requirement of mining.

How do people plan on transitioning? Bitcoin holders will find themselves unable to transact their coin if miners move to Ethereum en masse.

Re: MasterCard to open up network to cryptocurrencies

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Of course monetary policy is good for the guys implementing it, crypto is here for the rest of us. Making monetary policy tied to a currency and immutable is one of the great benefits of crypto, akin to having monetary policies be part of constitution.

I don't believe it will be a benefit. Current monetary policy is to keep inflation positive and low, while addressing economic shocks that make money velocity low by increasing the supply. A low positive inflation effectively makes all prices that are denominated in a fixed amount of the currency slowly lower. This helps the economy - ie, people and companies acting in the economy - deal with changes more easily, sin…

> A low positive inflation effectively makes all prices that are denominated in a fixed amount of the currency slowly lower. This helps the economy - ie, people and companies acting in the economy

This helps the people who have capital and is paid for by the people who only have wages. I am a person that only has a wage, so I choose bitcoin.

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It makes them economically dependent. Explicit rather than implicit client states of the US. Colonies in all but name. When President Arnulfo Arias tried exercising his nation's right to issue sovereign currency, he was deposed in a US-backed coup on October 2, 1941.

Switching from one currency you can’t control to another doesn’t sound good

Exactly. The Bitcoin folks like to point to a "shadow cabal" that controls US currency as though that same problem doesn't exist in Bitcoin's architecture. At least we know the names of everyone serving on the Federal Reserve's board.

Bitcoin, on the other hand, can be controlled by any miner or group of miners having over 50% of the network's hash rate[1]. We don't know the identities of the miners and we have seen them engage in political actions that change the behavior of the currency[2].

1. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/1/51-attack.asp

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bitcoin_forks

Re: MasterCard to open up network to cryptocurrencies

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The idea of velocity is pretty simple. If you print a $1T coin and hand it to me, then I throw it in a safe and forget the code, did the increase in supply cause any material increase in inflation experienced at the point of sale by the average person? Probably not. The supply went up, but the average velocity went down commensurately. How this interacts with assets is in my opinion not super clear. Pricing of assets…

The velocity of a particular Bitcoin arrives at 0 given enough time. Bitcoin get lost. These Bitcoin cannot move and thus contribute to the deflation of Bitcoin. They effectively shrink the money supply.

True, but that's a uniquely Bitcoin problem, and it's one of the many reasons Bitcoin is not fit for purpose.

Re: MasterCard to open up network to cryptocurrencies

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Whether or not it's a DEX doesn't matter at all. In this hypothetical world of regulation which has made some BTC "tainted" through surveillance, it will always be in the BTC receiver's best interest to verify the coins are "clean". Only a fool (or fellow criminal) would transact with tainted coins; most people would probably not use a DEX, or else use one which verified clean coins anyway without being regulated to…

Hmm, i think we have different thoughts about what a DEX is. Decentralized exchange allows me to conduct exchanges anonymously. I can convert back and forth between many different coins and wallets. Although it still goes on the ledger each time it's transacted, verifying who it went to, who is came from, and how it was traded is impossible. I can use a VPN to connect to the DEX, I can push my trade through a mining…

The point is, a government can make it illegal to sell goods for crypto. As well as making it illegal to transact crypto anonymously. So unless you find some black market for all your material goods, you will be FORCED to "exit" some of your crypto into fiat at some point. It is at this point that the design of BTC in particular makes it impossible to hide this "exit", because a government can easily surveil the blockchain and keep track of "verified" coins / addresses.

Any time a transaction is spotted between a registered and unregistered address, just send a friendly police van to the address on file and seize the registered wallet. Rinse and repeat until unregistered wallets can virtually only transact between each other.

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