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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by shrimpx »

glenstein wrote: post #399
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

>All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. Ugh, I was 100% with you until this point. This is speculative, fantastical, and I think serves to discredit the sober and calm pushback of the type exhibited in the first half of your comment. And that is desperately needed in a moment like this.

A psyop doesn’t have to be a super advanced operation. It could be some low effort opportunistic thing that helps objectives.

The “declassified” UAP videos so far are rote footage containing easily debunked garbage. Why would the military release lens flare videos and claim they’re UAP? They could be blithering idiots not knowing they’re looking at lens flare, which is probably less likely than knowing it’s BS and claiming it’s UAP with some ulterior motive. So, psyop.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by InCityDreams »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #550
catchnear4321 wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you really think a government would do that? just go on the internet and tell lies?

Please add the /s to your comment so nobody accidentally thinks you are serious.

Adding /s for people that can't get sarcasm? /h For humour.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by avgcorrection »

hayst4ck wrote: post #480

step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

“Who benefits?” is alway, always the most important question.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by shrimpx »

asveikau wrote: post #577
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

> All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop Is it me or is the internet really quick to reach this conclusion? It's definitely not the simplest one you can make. "The US government" can hardly pass a budget but is somehow presumed to be super competent at psyops and/or concealing evidence of aliens.

Psyop doesn’t imply competence or a complex operation. Although I believe the US military is competent, unlike congress.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by avgcorrection »

ajross wrote: post #514
hayst4ck wrote: post #480

step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

Absolutely fascinating that the top two replies to an article about Aliens! are positing basically the same conspiracy: that this is a deliberate psyop run by a "nation state" and not just... people being wrong about stuff? Why go through the trouble to refute one unlikely and poorly supported hypothesis just to jump right into a new one? Has Occam taught us nothing? There are no successfully hidden "conspiracies" of…

It’s another razor (heuristic) like Occam’s Razor.

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Post by anon84873628 »

Reptur wrote: post #599
hayst4ck wrote: post #480

step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

Just look at the history of alien / UFO sightings. It all began at the beginning of WW2 and the Cold War. It is my humble opinion all just a psychological operation. Some benefits that a government would have doing such a thing would be: Division, misdirection of MSM and population, other news that is very important is intentionally being sandbagged. Fear, Hysteria, & Confusion allows further tightening of control of…

The typical reply to this is that it wasn't until the 20th century that people had enough understanding of the universe to view them as aliens. Previously they would be angels, demons, gods etc.

But the idea that the government is manipulating people to seize power goes back a long way too...

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Post by winrid »

secondary_op wrote: post #637

This is CIA psyop to distract and hid in this noise, actual news, that it is been exactly 10 years since whistleblower former intelligence Edward Snowden told world the truth about CIA and U.S. government. What is the connection ? Headlines: > *Whistleblower former intelligence* official says government possesses ‘intact and partially intact’ craft of non-human origin And here is Snowden interview from 5 hours ago: S…

Or is it a psyop to make us think it's a psyop to remind us how powerful the CIA is?

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Post by cornfutes »

pesfandiar wrote: post #281
crazygringo wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Culturally, Godzilla in Japan very much came out of the fear of nuclear weapons and radiation post-Hiroshima and Nagasaki -- a monster awakened and empowered by nuclear weapons [1]. I've never been super clear on what the cultural reason for aliens USA is though. Although I suppose it's different in that Godzilla was an intentional fictional creation, while the fascination with aliens hopes they're actually real. [1]…

Fear of an unknown civilization invading their land, killing them, making them sick, and taking over their resources?

So basically what they did to all their neighboring countries for decades before Hiroshima

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Post by friend_and_foe »

merpnderp wrote: post #148
beefman wrote: post #96

Aliens have never crashed here. Aliens have never even visited our solar system. The truth is more interesting: the galaxy is emptier than it should be.

If you look at all the crazy coincidences that were required for life to develop on Earth, it starts to make sense that we're alone. Single star in the system, need a big Jupiter to block space rocks, our target is a rocky planet close to star, but needs to be hit by an abnormally large moon right as the lithosphere is cooling, ripping out 1/3rd of it so that the planet can have giant continents barely covered with w…

We don't know that any of those conditions are necessary. Right now what it looks like is certain chemistry, which happens to be pretty common, an energy gradient of sufficient magnitude, and relative stability.

If we look at it as crazy coincidences, we can say that the earth is in a very unique state due to the crazy coincidences such that theres nowhere else just like it, but then, theres nowhere like anywhere else and everything that exists is the result of crazy coincidences. So, combinations of crazy coincidences that create very unique places are pretty common, ubiquitous even. So there's likely a lot of very unique places out there with very interesting processes going on.

I don't know if we will ever discover life. I don't know if we will ever observe another intelligence that spontaneously developed. But one thing I'm certain of, there are things going on out there that are more interesting than dead rocks circling even bigger dead rocks.

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Post by sesteel »

shrimpx wrote: post #704
asveikau wrote: post #577

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop Is it me or is the internet really quick to reach this conclusion? It's definitely not the simplest one you can make. "The US government" can hardly pass a budget but is somehow presumed to be super competent at psyops and/or concealing evidence of aliens.

Psyop doesn’t imply competence or a complex operation. Although I believe the US military is competent, unlike congress.

Why do you believe that? Having been in and worked around it, its success is a function of money and will. I would not call it competent, but that is a personal opinion having worked in competent effective organizations in the commercial sector.
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