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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by catchnear4321 »

hayst4ck wrote: post #480

step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

you really think a government would do that?

just go on the internet and tell lies?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by mc32 »

King-Aaron wrote: post #515
hayst4ck wrote: post #480

step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

Possibly not. But this narrative has been around for a lot longer than social media. Current technology certainly accelerates the spread of it, but people have been discussing this topic since the literal dark ages.

People have been discussing all kinds of things since the dark ages. Should the military consider astrology when making war plans and battle plans too cuz some people did and still make decisions based on astrology?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by mrandish »

King-Aaron wrote: post #515
hayst4ck wrote: post #480

step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

Possibly not. But this narrative has been around for a lot longer than social media. Current technology certainly accelerates the spread of it, but people have been discussing this topic since the literal dark ages.

True, but good agit prop leverages existing themes.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by catchnear4321 »

ChatGTP wrote: post #498
hayst4ck wrote: post #480

step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

We've been warned for a while about this type of thing going on. I guess this is it, it's going on, and we can maybe expect it to be amplified with LLMs.

chaos is an opportunity.

whether the original signal was generated by little grey men or at the behest of old white ones, there will be amplification by opportunists.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by ftio »

Can someone explain to me how a species that can do one of the following can also do something as mundane as…crash?

1. Travel faster than light

2. Sustain a peaceful, productive, spacefaring civilization over millions of years to travel here

3. Create AI that can do 1 or 2

Am I missing something here? How can both of these facts be plausibly true? These are genuine questions, not snark.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by systemvoltage »

arcticbull wrote: post #494
wyager wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aliens would probably not care that french people have more vacation days.

Well if we’re making silly reductive arguments I’m not sure they’d care how many zeroes are in Warren Buffets brokerage account. But you know EADS/Airbus headquarters is in Toulouse if that’s more your speed. There’s also Alstom and SNCF off hand. TotalEnergies. Hermes. Dior. Sanofi. Schneider Electric. Air Liquide. Essilor. You didn’t think they were agrarians did you? They’re the second biggest economy in Europe!

Definitely. There are some cool badass things in EU. There is also the French military industrial complex, a mini version of US. That said, I was shocked to learn about average software engineering salaries in Europe. Why can't Europe build amazing high margin software businesses or any hyper growth companies? And pay their engineers like kings? That'd be cool and give a strong reality check for California.

For now, I'll honestly take 2.5x salary in US over pretty much any other place. And I love guns (own several).

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by King-Aaron »

mc32 wrote: post #522
King-Aaron wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Possibly not. But this narrative has been around for a lot longer than social media. Current technology certainly accelerates the spread of it, but people have been discussing this topic since the literal dark ages.

People have been discussing all kinds of things since the dark ages. Should the military consider astrology when making war plans and battle plans too cuz some people did and still make decisions based on astrology?

I understand you're being facetious, but if the military had visual and sensor data of a foreign power entering their airspace due to astrology, then the answer would likely be "probably".

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by mrandish »

mc32 wrote: post #517
ajross wrote: post #514

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely fascinating that the top two replies to an article about Aliens! are positing basically the same conspiracy: that this is a deliberate psyop run by a "nation state" and not just... people being wrong about stuff? Why go through the trouble to refute one unlikely and poorly supported hypothesis just to jump right into a new one? Has Occam taught us nothing? There are no successfully hidden "conspiracies" of…

Because military brass is not supposed to be wrong by going along with such unlikely scenarios. They might as well also believe the fairy god-mother decides the outcome of battles and direct their ire at her. This is The National Enquirer-level stuff.

> military brass is not supposed to be wrong by going along with such unlikely scenarios.

True but that was before we started having idiot legislators in congress willing to throw a few tens of millions at "investigations" by the military. Nothing like easy budget and a cushy assignment for several years to encourage some motivated reasoning. "Hey, if you're payin', I'm investigatin.'"

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by incrudible »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #309
incrudible wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What do you get when you have a multi-billion dollar defense budget and some of the best engineers on the planet? A huge waste.

I don't think 80 years of global peace and safe international trade have been a huge waste.

Did you get that history lesson from a Raytheon marketing brochure?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by smeej »

ftio wrote: post #525

Can someone explain to me how a species that can do one of the following can also do something as mundane as…crash? 1. Travel faster than light 2. Sustain a peaceful, productive, spacefaring civilization over millions of years to travel here 3. Create AI that can do 1 or 2 Am I missing something here? How can both of these facts be plausibly true? These are genuine questions, not snark.

What evidence do we have that they traveled faster than light rather than, say, leaving a very, very, very long time ago? Or launching something in our direction, in hopes of generations surviving, but they didn't manage to, so there's nobody on board anymore?

Or why couldn't they just have significantly misidentified what it would take to navigate in our atmosphere and have sent a ship that wasn't prepared, and didn't have a way to realize it wasn't prepared?

I can think of a lot of very prosaic reasons.

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