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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by jfoutz »

Aperocky wrote: post #616
Reptur wrote: post #599

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just look at the history of alien / UFO sightings. It all began at the beginning of WW2 and the Cold War. It is my humble opinion all just a psychological operation. Some benefits that a government would have doing such a thing would be: Division, misdirection of MSM and population, other news that is very important is intentionally being sandbagged. Fear, Hysteria, & Confusion allows further tightening of control of…

This doesn't pass the occam's razor. The simplest explanation are mental illness, shameless fame seekers and confused people who saw rocket debris or some supersonic fighter.

Not really getting that the speed of light is a universal speed limit is simpler.

I want to believe. So I'll spend more time than is wise evaluating evidence. But, like, it's gotta be some really good evidence.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by jfoutz »

mc32 wrote: post #522
King-Aaron wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Possibly not. But this narrative has been around for a lot longer than social media. Current technology certainly accelerates the spread of it, but people have been discussing this topic since the literal dark ages.

People have been discussing all kinds of things since the dark ages. Should the military consider astrology when making war plans and battle plans too cuz some people did and still make decisions based on astrology?

Ronald Reagan did, right? Commander in chief did, so for at least a time, they did?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by TechBro8615 »

djokkataja wrote: post #542
ftio wrote: post #525

Can someone explain to me how a species that can do one of the following can also do something as mundane as…crash? 1. Travel faster than light 2. Sustain a peaceful, productive, spacefaring civilization over millions of years to travel here 3. Create AI that can do 1 or 2 Am I missing something here? How can both of these facts be plausibly true? These are genuine questions, not snark.

I agree that intuitively it seems to not make sense, but with regard to your specific points, and assuming that there's actually more than a nothingburger behind this whole story: 1. I wouldn't necessarily assume FTL. But even if we assume "arbitrarily technologically advanced," there's no reason to think that any technology will ever have an absolute 0% chance of failure. 2. It only has to be sufficiently peaceful t…

It's also an assumption that the pilot of the craft is from the same species that manufactured it. Perhaps the technology was gifted to them by a superior civilization, or maybe they stole it, or maybe they're a genetically engineered descendant of an advanced species that died off millions of years ago without recalling its probes with their hibernating pilots.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by TechBro8615 »

krapp wrote: post #579
smeej wrote: post #530

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What evidence do we have that they traveled faster than light rather than, say, leaving a very, very, very long time ago? Or launching something in our direction, in hopes of generations surviving, but they didn't manage to, so there's nobody on board anymore? Or why couldn't they just have significantly misidentified what it would take to navigate in our atmosphere and have sent a ship that wasn't prepared, and didn…

>What evidence do we have that they traveled faster than light rather than, say, leaving a very, very, very long time ago? We would see a generation ship coming. It would be big, it would give off waste heat, it would probably have to stay in orbit, if we're assuming it follows physics we're familiar with, it would have to use chemical or nuclear rocket propulsion, dump waste and need constant refueling and maintenan…

Now, hear me out... maybe the generation ship is the Moon...

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by King-Aaron »

Reptur wrote: post #599
hayst4ck wrote: post #480

step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

Just look at the history of alien / UFO sightings. It all began at the beginning of WW2 and the Cold War. It is my humble opinion all just a psychological operation. Some benefits that a government would have doing such a thing would be: Division, misdirection of MSM and population, other news that is very important is intentionally being sandbagged. Fear, Hysteria, & Confusion allows further tightening of control of…

> Just look at the history of alien / UFO sightings. It all began at the beginning of WW2 and the Cold War.

It's been happening for some time before then.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by TechBro8615 »

colechristensen wrote: post #565
ftio wrote: post #525

Can someone explain to me how a species that can do one of the following can also do something as mundane as…crash? 1. Travel faster than light 2. Sustain a peaceful, productive, spacefaring civilization over millions of years to travel here 3. Create AI that can do 1 or 2 Am I missing something here? How can both of these facts be plausibly true? These are genuine questions, not snark.

Can someone explain to me why the phone in my pocket is literally 6000 times as fast as my childhood computer and yet still regularly laggy, slow, and broken? It would seem as though such things would be ridiculous but clearly no matter how far ahead you are in some metric or another, things are still going to be shit now and then. Are our machines really all that much more reliable than they were 20, 50, 100, 150 ye…

I guess software ate the alien world too...

> Wirth's Law [0] is an adage on computer performance which states that software is getting slower more rapidly than hardware is becoming faster.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth%27s_law

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by secondary_op »

This is CIA psyop to distract and hid in this noise, actual news, that it is been exactly 10 years since whistleblower former intelligence Edward Snowden told world the truth about CIA and U.S. government.

What is the connection ? Headlines:

> *Whistleblower former intelligence* official says government possesses ‘intact and partially intact’ craft of non-human origin

And here is Snowden interview from 5 hours ago: SNOWDEN REVELATIONS 10-Year Anniversary: Glenn Greenwald Speaks with Snowden & Laura Poitras on the Past, Present, & Future of Their Historic Reporting | SYSTEM UPDATE #93

https://rumble.com/v2sgyx2-snowden-revelations-10-year-anniv...

Try searching the web "Whistleblower former intelligence" it is all about UFOs now.

then add "before:2022" to search query, this is what CIA trying to do.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

https://www.google.com/search?q=Whistleblower+former+intelli...

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by Jun8 »

sandspar wrote: post #586

It'd be weird if it turned out that it is an alien aircraft and... that's it. It's too advanced for us to understand, it's too high tech. And we're left with, "Yup, aliens exist. No, we don't know anything more about them." It's like that old movie where an airline pilot drops a Coca Cola can into the midst of an uncontacted Amazonian tribe. "Wow, this thing sure is neat. Damned if I know what it's for though."

Even merely knowing (conclusively) that aliens with advanced technology exist would provide enormous information, cf https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter.

This is covered fictionally in Cixin’s The Three Body Problem: When Eart learns the existence of Trisolarians tremendous social and technical changes occur.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by George83728 »

Aperocky wrote: post #616
Reptur wrote: post #599

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just look at the history of alien / UFO sightings. It all began at the beginning of WW2 and the Cold War. It is my humble opinion all just a psychological operation. Some benefits that a government would have doing such a thing would be: Division, misdirection of MSM and population, other news that is very important is intentionally being sandbagged. Fear, Hysteria, & Confusion allows further tightening of control of…

This doesn't pass the occam's razor. The simplest explanation are mental illness, shameless fame seekers and confused people who saw rocket debris or some supersonic fighter.

Also anonymous pranksters, deliberately tricking people using balloons, kites, drones, etc.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by jrflowers »

secondary_op wrote: post #637

This is CIA psyop to distract and hid in this noise, actual news, that it is been exactly 10 years since whistleblower former intelligence Edward Snowden told world the truth about CIA and U.S. government. What is the connection ? Headlines: > *Whistleblower former intelligence* official says government possesses ‘intact and partially intact’ craft of non-human origin And here is Snowden interview from 5 hours ago: S…

The “news” is an anniversary?
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