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Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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We plan to add more models over time.

My complaint isn't about more models in fact, it's about not depending on OpenAI (and not feeding them with data and money), so I would rather have less models (just llama3) rather than more

Duly noted. Open source / self-hosted models are on our radar.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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No, your IP is not "you". It's most definitely not your PII, per se. It is PII when used in conjunction with other data(even under fairly strict GPDR rules). The party storing the IP must have means of associating that IP with you, not simply "a city". I mean... I can write an anonymous letter, drop it into the mailbox of my local post office and there will be a stamp of where and when that letter was mailed from. Is…

EU law says your IP is PII. When you have the /24 of a searcher, and assets on X% of websites where that same IP accesses clicking through from a search, I mean, it's well known that this is not very private. And also doing xx searches a day. The idea of anonymity becomes a fantasy.

We don't pass any parts of the IP to anyone.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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I didn't know Claude until I saw it as an option for DDG chat model. What caught my attention was the tagline "instant". Interesting. I decided to give it a try with expectations to see answers coming up almost instantly. And they really did. I'm enjoying it so far.

For what it's worth, Claude instant is part of Anthropic's first generation of models. There have been two more since then. Today (3rd gen) they have haiku, sonnet, opus. Worth checking out. Opus is competitive (many say better) than GPT-4

We plan to upgrade Claude Instant to Claude 3 Haiku in the coming weeks.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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post #57

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Give me another one then? It’s a search engine with no search index. It’s an ads supported site without an ads network. What is it then if not a wrapper?

> DuckDuckGo is an American software company that __offers a number of products__ intended to help people protect their online privacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo

“A number of products” that make no real revenue other than driving users to…Bing ads.

The discussion here is what you would get if bought DDG, and the answer is…very little.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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Aside from the potential for privacy issues anti-thetical to DDG's own stated goals, another problem is these chat AIs can just be inaccurate, if not just outright incorrect, on the simplest topics. Something which would seem to be a risk to DuckDuckGo's reputation as a search provider.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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post #51

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What would make their machines more trustworthy than OpenAI's or Anthropic's?

Them saying they will not use our data or allow 3rd parties to use our data. This effort is weak sauce.

Correct, that would be full communications content protection. This is not that, this is a pretty half assed product with a misleading set of promises.

Either use one of the many open models that beat GPT-3.5 and you have a real, and better!, product.

I literally have no idea what the point of this is, or why not make the actual step of rolling out a real private LLM. It’s literally inferior to what Mixtral provides right now, under Apache license.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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Test query: Buy bulk pvc in cheyenne, wy FastGPT from kagi recommends national chains, a local plumbing supply store or two, and a specific facebook market page. All of these have hyperlinks. DDG just gives generic advice about national chains. I think the difference is that Kagi built a RAG model out of a web crawl.

What does "bulk pvc" even mean. Pipe? Fittings? Tubing? Sheets? Fabric?

The first three, usually. PVC is extremely common in plumbing and drainage, and there the type of pipe is usually specified by material type, not use case. PVC cloth is less common, and I'd guess you'd qualify with a use case. ("pvc cloth for sewing"; it's often called "vinyl" instead).

Anyway, it's an intentionally hard query. I tried "tourism in mountain view, ca" first. They both do fine (though DDG doesn't provide links), since there's enough on the internet about that for the base GPT-3.5 model to recall it without additional context.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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Who, exactly, wanted to ask a search engine questions that would be answered by bullshit? I quote: what is the stoichiometric ratio between 2NO2 and N2O4 The stoichiometric ratio between nitrogen dioxide (NO2) and dinitrogen tetroxide (N2O4) is 1:1. This means that for every one molecule of nitrogen dioxide (NO2) that reacts, one molecule of dinitrogen tetroxide (N2O4) is formed. The equilibrium reaction between nitr…

AI Chat is separate from the search engine, providing anonymous access to popular models. On the search engine we have DuckAssist, which is currently grounded in Wikipedia (more sources coming): https://duckduckgo.com/?q=what+is+the+stoichiometric+ratio+b...

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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post #72

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EU law says your IP is PII. When you have the /24 of a searcher, and assets on X% of websites where that same IP accesses clicking through from a search, I mean, it's well known that this is not very private. And also doing xx searches a day. The idea of anonymity becomes a fantasy.

We don't pass any parts of the IP to anyone.

Sure, in the case of this specific tool. But the point of something being demonstrably 'private' is diminished based on your usage of the word in other contexts.

And again, hitting Microsoft IPs. Microsoft have assets on many websites, so the correlation is trivial over time, no specific IP needed, no cookies needed.

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