Pretty disapointed that this is just a proxy in front of Claude and ChatGPT, I thought it would be some kind of DDG-hosted llama3 8B since the quality is now good enough with a 8B model.
DuckDuckGo AI Chat
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#22What's the business model on this? GPT3.5 and Claude 1.2 aren't as expensive as other models, but they're not cheap. Is this going to get pulled later, monetised, etc? It's concerning in general to see so many companies throwing so much money at this without business models. The big names mostly have either premium tiers or paid API usage, that's fine, but DDG/Brave/BingChat/Arc/etc are all just giving away money, an…
It'll probably not be free forever. Access to the models could become part of their "Pro" offering - https://duckduckgo.com/pro
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#23It would be best for DDG to sell before they are steamrolled from multiple fronts.
Who would buy it? It seems like the kind of thing where they would lose all the people who use it if they sold to just about anyone who could buy it.
Most people would not care, once a brand name is established it can sell out and continue to profit for at least 20 years or more.
Proof is just about any footwear or fashion brand you care to think of.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess they mean that the chat conversations are not persisted in a DDG database. A bit misleading IMO
The messaging could be more clear, but is this substantively different from how search queries are handled when DuckDuckGo forwards them to Bing? Bing doesn’t know who made the search but could log the query itself.
>is this substantively different from how search queries are handled when DuckDuckGo forwards them to Bing?
No, it is the exact same business model but applied to AI chat instead of search.
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#25Being DDG, with its reputation, I’m sure these chats really are never saved - but the wording in the sidebar: never saved by us, and not used to train AI models could make the more paranoid believe that they could be saved by DDG’s partners - from very directly (Anthropic saves chats with Claude) to indirectly (all channeled through a shady arms-length subsidiary).
DDG has terrible reputation, what are you talking about. From sharing user data with Microsoft, to hiding websites in search due to political bias
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#26Being DDG, with its reputation, I’m sure these chats really are never saved - but the wording in the sidebar: never saved by us, and not used to train AI models could make the more paranoid believe that they could be saved by DDG’s partners - from very directly (Anthropic saves chats with Claude) to indirectly (all channeled through a shady arms-length subsidiary).
See https://duckduckgo.com/aichat/privacy-terms " We do not save or store your Prompts or Outputs. Additionally, all metadata that contains personal information (for example, your IP address) is obfuscated from underlying model providers (for example, OpenAI, Anthropic). If you submit personal information in your Prompts, it may be reproduced in the Outputs, but no one can tell whether it was you personally submittin…
That’s a pretty disingenuous framing. Obviously the content of the communication- what you ask the chatbot - can totally be personally identifiable, and is stored.
You aren’t providing communications content privacy, you’re providing a meta data proxy which is not remotely the same.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who would buy it? It seems like the kind of thing where they would lose all the people who use it if they sold to just about anyone who could buy it.
Most people would not care, once a brand name is established it can sell out and continue to profit for at least 20 years or more. Proof is just about any footwear or fashion brand you care to think of.
People specifically use DDG for the sense of privacy they have established, and that works be shattered by a buyout. People who use DDG are savvy enough to change their default search engine, and therefore would not have trouble doing it again.
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#28It would be best for DDG to sell before they are steamrolled from multiple fronts.
Who would buy it? It seems like the kind of thing where they would lose all the people who use it if they sold to just about anyone who could buy it.
It’s just a Bing wrapper with Bing ads. What is there to sell?
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#29Pretty disapointed that this is just a proxy in front of Claude and ChatGPT, I thought it would be some kind of DDG-hosted llama3 8B since the quality is now good enough with a 8B model.
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#30Pretty disapointed that this is just a proxy in front of Claude and ChatGPT, I thought it would be some kind of DDG-hosted llama3 8B since the quality is now good enough with a 8B model.
We plan to add more models over time.