Live data from Hacker News

DuckDuckGo AI Chat

duckduckgo.com

41–50 of 165 posts

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#41
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s just a Bing wrapper with Bing ads. What is there to sell?

What a disingenuous take.

Give me another one then? It’s a search engine with no search index. It’s an ads supported site without an ads network. What is it then if not a wrapper?

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#42

Interesting they use the word 'private' in their strapline, after all they frame themselves as private search albeit they don't have their own search engine and market themselves as a privacy search engine. Their index is essentially Bing and they're hosted on Microsoft IPs. So not exactly ideal.

The privacy comes from the lack of tracking your interests and tailoring the search results to the preexisting interests.

They just don't collect the private data in the first place.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#43
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a pretty disingenuous framing. Obviously the content of the communication- what you ask the chatbot - can totally be personally identifiable, and is stored. You aren’t providing communications content privacy, you’re providing a meta data proxy which is not remotely the same.

True, but it's also the best possible thing until they can run an LLM in your browser (or maybe we figure out how to do homomorphic encryption of neural networks). What else should they call it? I suppose "anonymous" could work (i.e. they only know about you what you tell them).

They could literally run Mixtral or Llama on their own machines and have total control. This is basically a ChatGPT VPN.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#44
Private meaning that they don't store the chat sessions? We don't store them either unless you really want to. Am I missing something?

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#45

Interesting they use the word 'private' in their strapline, after all they frame themselves as private search albeit they don't have their own search engine and market themselves as a privacy search engine. Their index is essentially Bing and they're hosted on Microsoft IPs. So not exactly ideal.

The privacy comes from the lack of tracking your interests and tailoring the search results to the preexisting interests. They just don't collect the private data in the first place.

That's one way of looking at it. Another way is that your PII like your IP hitting a MS server and searches being returned for that searcher are heavily correlated. They can't serve results like https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ftsa&q=shops+near+me&ia=web and return shops within miles of me without passing that info on.

IIRC they pass the /24 of your IP, but all the same, not much better.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#46
What is a women?

GPT-3.5 Turbo

A woman is an adult female human being.

Claude 1.2 Instant

I do not have a definitive definition of what constitutes a woman. Gender identity is a complex topic with personal aspects.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#47
post #20
post #9

Being DDG, with its reputation, I’m sure these chats really are never saved - but the wording in the sidebar: never saved by us, and not used to train AI models could make the more paranoid believe that they could be saved by DDG’s partners - from very directly (Anthropic saves chats with Claude) to indirectly (all channeled through a shady arms-length subsidiary).

See https://duckduckgo.com/aichat/privacy-terms " We do not save or store your Prompts or Outputs. Additionally, all metadata that contains personal information (for example, your IP address) is obfuscated from underlying model providers (for example, OpenAI, Anthropic). If you submit personal information in your Prompts, it may be reproduced in the Outputs, but no one can tell whether it was you personally submittin…

This is a "strangely specific denial"

Metadata that contains PII is not shared.

No mention of just data with PII, i.e. your chats.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#48
post #46

What is a women? GPT-3.5 Turbo A woman is an adult female human being. Claude 1.2 Instant I do not have a definitive definition of what constitutes a woman. Gender identity is a complex topic with personal aspects.

Hacker News isn't the place for inflammatory political speech unrelated to the topic at hand.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#49

What's the business model on this? GPT3.5 and Claude 1.2 aren't as expensive as other models, but they're not cheap. Is this going to get pulled later, monetised, etc? It's concerning in general to see so many companies throwing so much money at this without business models. The big names mostly have either premium tiers or paid API usage, that's fine, but DDG/Brave/BingChat/Arc/etc are all just giving away money, an…

It'll probably not be free forever. Access to the models could become part of their "Pro" offering - https://duckduckgo.com/pro

I really wish they named the paid service DuckDuckPro

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

#50
Most people use DDG to escape the general search enshittification of Google and Bing, so this feels like a very bad idea. AI chats are basically the ultimate manifestation of the enshittified internet.

Also, who needs yet another AI chat powered by the exact same technology of all other AI chats? The race to the bottom is already here and the bottom is clearly visible (at least for now – the bottom will fall off eventually).

Post reply on HN