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Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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Post by yegg »

lancesells wrote: post #55
yegg wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See https://duckduckgo.com/aichat/privacy-terms " We do not save or store your Prompts or Outputs. Additionally, all metadata that contains personal information (for example, your IP address) is obfuscated from underlying model providers (for example, OpenAI, Anthropic). If you submit personal information in your Prompts, it may be reproduced in the Outputs, but no one can tell whether it was you personally submittin…

> (for example, your IP address) is obfuscated from underlying model providers > so your personal information (for example, IP address) is not exposed to them Is this not two different things? The first one saying that the IP address is changed in some way to make it unidentifiable. The second one is saying it's just not sent.

No part of the IP address is sent.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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Post by panqueca »

maltalex wrote: post #22
danpalmer wrote: post #5

What's the business model on this? GPT3.5 and Claude 1.2 aren't as expensive as other models, but they're not cheap. Is this going to get pulled later, monetised, etc? It's concerning in general to see so many companies throwing so much money at this without business models. The big names mostly have either premium tiers or paid API usage, that's fine, but DDG/Brave/BingChat/Arc/etc are all just giving away money, an…

It'll probably not be free forever. Access to the models could become part of their "Pro" offering - https://duckduckgo.com/pro

I didn't know they have a "Pro" offer. I wish Kagi has something similar. It's quite expensive paying 10 bucks for search results only.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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Post by dsr_ »

Who, exactly, wanted to ask a search engine questions that would be answered by bullshit?

I quote:

    what is the stoichiometric ratio between 2NO2 and N2O4
The stoichiometric ratio between nitrogen dioxide (NO2) and dinitrogen tetroxide (N2O4) is 1:1. This means that for every one molecule of nitrogen dioxide (NO2) that reacts, one molecule of dinitrogen tetroxide (N2O4) is formed. The equilibrium reaction between nitrogen dioxide and dinitrogen tetroxide can be represented as:

2NO2 ⇌ N2O4

In this reaction, two molecules of nitrogen dioxide can form one molecule of dinitrogen tetroxide, and vice versa.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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Post by dumbfounder »

lxgr wrote: post #51
bevekspldnw wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could literally run Mixtral or Llama on their own machines and have total control. This is basically a ChatGPT VPN.

What would make their machines more trustworthy than OpenAI's or Anthropic's?

Them saying they will not use our data or allow 3rd parties to use our data. This effort is weak sauce.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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Post by ricardo81 »

JAlexoid wrote: post #60
ricardo81 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's one way of looking at it. Another way is that your PII like your IP hitting a MS server and searches being returned for that searcher are heavily correlated. They can't serve results like https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ftsa&q=shops+near+me&ia=web and return shops within miles of me without passing that info on. IIRC they pass the /24 of your IP, but all the same, not much better.

No, your IP is not "you". It's most definitely not your PII, per se. It is PII when used in conjunction with other data(even under fairly strict GPDR rules). The party storing the IP must have means of associating that IP with you, not simply "a city". I mean... I can write an anonymous letter, drop it into the mailbox of my local post office and there will be a stamp of where and when that letter was mailed from. Is…

EU law says your IP is PII.

When you have the /24 of a searcher, and assets on X% of websites where that same IP accesses clicking through from a search, I mean, it's well known that this is not very private.

And also doing xx searches a day. The idea of anonymity becomes a fantasy.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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Post by kernal »

malfist wrote: post #48
kernal wrote: post #46

What is a women? GPT-3.5 Turbo A woman is an adult female human being. Claude 1.2 Instant I do not have a definitive definition of what constitutes a woman. Gender identity is a complex topic with personal aspects.

Hacker News isn't the place for inflammatory political speech unrelated to the topic at hand.

So you're saying the results are political?

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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Post by troyvit »

MitPitt wrote: post #25
jrmg wrote: post #9

Being DDG, with its reputation, I’m sure these chats really are never saved - but the wording in the sidebar: never saved by us, and not used to train AI models could make the more paranoid believe that they could be saved by DDG’s partners - from very directly (Anthropic saves chats with Claude) to indirectly (all channeled through a shady arms-length subsidiary).

DDG has terrible reputation, what are you talking about. From sharing user data with Microsoft, to hiding websites in search due to political bias

You're getting downvoted pretty heavily. Do you have sources for that? I did a quick search on Kagi and couldn't find anything to support what you say.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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Post by tantalor »

hedora wrote: post #18

Test query: Buy bulk pvc in cheyenne, wy FastGPT from kagi recommends national chains, a local plumbing supply store or two, and a specific facebook market page. All of these have hyperlinks. DDG just gives generic advice about national chains. I think the difference is that Kagi built a RAG model out of a web crawl.

What does "bulk pvc" even mean.

Pipe? Fittings? Tubing? Sheets? Fabric?

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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Post by tredre3 »

dazc wrote: post #32
Zambyte wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People specifically use DDG for the sense of privacy they have established, and that works be shattered by a buyout. People who use DDG are savvy enough to change their default search engine, and therefore would not have trouble doing it again.

The people I know who use DDG do so because there are no ads, nothing more. I agree, the original cohort of users may fit your description though.

There are ads on duckduckgo.com.

Re: DuckDuckGo AI Chat

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Post by tredre3 »

kernal wrote: post #66
malfist wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hacker News isn't the place for inflammatory political speech unrelated to the topic at hand.

So you're saying the results are political?

Even though I agree with your point, he's saying that you're baiting. Which you are.
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