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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Yes, for free. You can create an account and upload as many videos as you want without paying absolutely anything. Even more, without handing over any personal information. But hey, feel free to upload your videos elsewhere.

You're giving them content they can monetize, so it's no wonder they will let you give it to them for free.

> You're giving them content they can monetize

Well, exactly, content they can monetize.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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> now is abusing that position Offering to host your videos for free and display ads along them hardly seems like "abusing that position"...

Blocking your videos and holding them hostage until you agree to a new contract would be abuse, yes.

Wait, are you suggesting that it should be forced to continue to distribute your videos for free (to you) even if you don't agree to their terms of service?

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Other than unlikely damage to the total user critical mass effect, what does YouTube potentially lose from kicking blender out?

It seems like Google is pretty conscious of their own PR, presumably actions like this alert Youtube employees that everything they do isn't in the best interest of humanity.

> It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.

I doubt most of them care. Even if some engineers care, I really doubt that the product team does in a circumstance like this.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Other than unlikely damage to the total user critical mass effect, what does YouTube potentially lose from kicking blender out?

Nothing. They gain by use of a chilling effect: most of the seemingly negative actions and expectations they're known for, tend to rebound in favor of their core business. It's all meant to be Logan and Jake Paul and PewDiePie and whatever will drive low-quality mass views so long as the viewer quality isn't so low that they're losing advertisers. At a scale like this, it's just pure statistics. This is not damage. T…

Funnily enough, PewDiePie is no longer on YouTube's good-side, and virtually all of his newly uploaded videos get demonetized by YouTube. He's no longer "advertiser-friendly"

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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post #59

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Meh. And we've come full circle. It seems to my eyes that they only "punish" you for not advertising if you have the means to pay other expenses but want to freeload on youtube specifically. And I don't see why I should care about that. It's very likely that Blender is going to have the same problem with Dailymotion and Vimeo too. No one wants to (or has the means) to be a dumping ground for hosting other people's co…

You're missing the point. Why offer the option to opt out of ads at all other than to bait-and-switch?

Same reason a coffee shop might offer to let you charge your phone/laptop batteries for free and then take that away when they see you are running an extension cord to your office.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Wait, am I reading this right? If you're a particularly popular channel, you're required to monetize and YT will block you if you don't? That's ridiculous, and it's totally shooting yourself in the foot. The vast majority of creators with many views do want to monetize, YouTube is losing almost nothing by allowing people not to if they choose. They must be really be desparate for revenue over there.

If its not monetized, then YouTube has no way to make money off the views; no way to recoup the costs associated with hosting those videos. History, morality, and good will aside, its in their financial best interest to not allow videos which are not monetized.

Sure, but YouTube gives the option to not monetize your videos. You can't give your users and option and then be upset when some users pick that option.

If people picking that option is causing problems for your business, you take that option away.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Blender is the epic example of free software slowly eventually eating the big proprietary guys' lunch. Volunteers spending countless hours writing software, because they were fed up with the very high pricing point of the alternatives (Maya, 3DS). Now hopefully they can kick off the eating of large internet incumbents like Youtube, maybe using some decentralized free video sharing like PeerTube. I love watching blender tutorials. I hope this creates more competition in this space (online video hosting).

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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I'm curious what YouTube's real numbers are for YouTube profitability. Are these channels at such high subscriber rates that they're cutting into YouTube's ability to sustain themselves? They recently demonetized all of the Salad Fingers videos, causing David Firth to remove all those videos from YouTube and only allowing them to Patreon subscribers via Vimeo. I hope this pushes towards more independent, distributed…

I think that the single search box with consistent UX is the killer feature. Subscription is too, in another way. Alternatives need to address these; I believe federated video services / toobs are the only way to aim for the first. Subscriptions should be replaced with RSS.

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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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So this seems to have happened because Youtube wants The Blender Foundation to agree to have their videos monetized. I'm not clear if they want that because of bogus copyright claims, EU legislation etc, or just because they favour making money over not making money? Edit: Either way looking for alternatives seems like a good idea.

I made a video about this in January, before YouTube strongarmed Blender. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ksbTTXHw8 I am pretty dismayed to be this right. I didn't think YT would be nearly this aggressive in service of the ideas I outlined. Basically, they take a cut off that activity. In some cases they could take most of or all the money, which is a clear win for them, but even when they pay out they're earning r…

Would Blender make money from Youtube Red subscribers if they did not have monetized videos? How does this affect the profitability of Youtube?
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