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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by ngc248 »

necovek wrote: post #581
ngc248 wrote: post #569

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China has over a billion people: true, but everything is under the control of CCP. So for anyone outside China, it is one coherent entity which is the CCP.

In a single party system, one entity as large as CCP can never be "coherent": you'll always have people pulling in different directions.

Agree ... there are always factions etc and all these factions may manifest power within china, but external to China, CCP at projects a coherent facade unlike other democracies.

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Post by wyattpeak »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #435
wyattpeak wrote: post #298

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That's fair, I should clarify: every public is motivated by profits. I don't actually think it's survivorship bias, my local coffee shop is good to me for little other reason than the owner and I get on well, and they're not likely to go out of business any time soon. I just didn't specify my point well enough.

Your little coffee shop goes out of business if they don't attract enough business, if they have competitors that provide a better product for example. But even then, you are rewarding their good behavior directly, if you want to scale that up, you and and a bunch of your friends will need to stop buying Apple products to let them know you find their behavior to not be of your liking (and become patrons of the compan…

I'm going to disagree with you there. I agree that their bottom line benefits from their being nice to me, but that's not the same as being motivated by profit. Similarly, I'm not looking to obsessively optimise for the best product.

I find your description distastefully cynical, but more importantly not particularly in line with my experience of how people behave.

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Post by Veen »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #513
More-nitors wrote: post #480

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missiles and artillery can't remote-boom-boom if you can't know where they are

Perfect for those apple-maps guided bombs.

If you can get perfect coordinates from Apple Maps and your missiles have GPS, you're good to boom. It's not as though the missiles have an iPhone inside them.

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Post by 2wrist »

anovikov wrote: post #526
quitit wrote: post #316

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People outside of China are served a different set of maps. Each country is served maps that conform to their territorial claims. E.g. If you view the map of India while in India, it'll appear different than if you viewed it in China.

One thing about claims (say display Crimea as part of Russia within Russia and as Ukraine elsewhere), but distorting SIZES of the places on maps according to someone's political preference is well... plain out ridiculous, laughable. It displays how messed up China is more than anything else. It's seriously hard to expect the place that does things like that, as a next superpower. You can't build a superpower on silly…

If I remember correctly, this used to happen on historical maps too, the UK and Europe were often made larger than they actually are.

It feels silly but there are manipulative reasons to do this.

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Post by ad404b8a372f2b9 »

Veen wrote: post #603
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #513

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Perfect for those apple-maps guided bombs.

If you can get perfect coordinates from Apple Maps and your missiles have GPS, you're good to boom. It's not as though the missiles have an iPhone inside them.

But if your missiles have GPS surely you have satellites to get the coordinates yourself?

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Post by zepto »

cable2600 wrote: post #550
zepto wrote: post #407

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No it isn’t. That was about standing up to IBM.

I thought the Big Brother figure on screen looked more like Bill Gates than IBM. The real enemy was Microsoft and Windows.

Microsoft wasn’t the entrenched giant in 1983.

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Post by nefitty »

junon wrote: post #82
ryandrake wrote: post #77

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Anyone who has worked in mapping/GIS at a company that sells in China has seen this in action. The "display these islands larger" requests, the obfuscated coordinate system for geo-aligning maps, and other map content regulatory issues[1] all need to be dealt with if you want your map product available in the country. Not excusing it, but every company with maps there is required to do this, not just Apple. 1: https:…

This is a mind boggling realization. Is OSM data also compromised in the same way?

Somewhat related, Natural Earth is a global map dataset in the public domain. I stumbled on this issue regarding Taiwan and China: https://github.com/nvkelso/natural-earth-vector/issues/331

Apparently, the resolution was to create political POV versions, although the default seems to lean toward a "Western-centric" direction.

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Post by Veen »

ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote: post #605
Veen wrote: post #603

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If you can get perfect coordinates from Apple Maps and your missiles have GPS, you're good to boom. It's not as though the missiles have an iPhone inside them.

But if your missiles have GPS surely you have satellites to get the coordinates yourself?

I don't think that follows. GPS access is universal; accurate mapping data is not. These rules are an attempt to ensure that precise coordinates for key targets are not available to anyone with a satnav system or smartphone.

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Post by makeitdouble »

dariusj18 wrote: post #443
makeitdouble wrote: post #284

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Would Lockheed Martin also be negociating tax breaks with Ireland and forefront line development costs of factories in Taiwan ? Or provide separated enclaves for EU countries ? Right now Apple is an international consumer company at its core, which makes its positioning a lot different than defense contractors or power producers for instance.

We used to regulate a lot more of consumer electronics ability to operate overseas, those restrictions have eased, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't come back if companies start to act irresponsibly. Also, yes, Lockheed Martin does operate in different countries (Ireland included) and most likely does negotiate quite heavily with factories around the world.

Thanks, I had a different image of their limitations.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by aivisol »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #579
anovikov wrote: post #526

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One thing about claims (say display Crimea as part of Russia within Russia and as Ukraine elsewhere), but distorting SIZES of the places on maps according to someone's political preference is well... plain out ridiculous, laughable. It displays how messed up China is more than anything else. It's seriously hard to expect the place that does things like that, as a next superpower. You can't build a superpower on silly…

You should see the Gerrymandering maps in the US. It’s map distortion for political power, not just political posture.

Can you elaborate on this? I am curious to know more about it.
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