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Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by ksec »

huahaiy wrote: post #411

Coincidentally, a Stanford Chinese American scientist, Prof. Shoucheng Zhang ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoucheng_Zhang ), who discovered the Quantum Spin Hall effect that plays a big part in the recent Intel announcement of the next generation of chip design, was found dead on Stanford campus on Dec. 1st. Before he's death, Prof. Zhang went together with Huawei's CFO to attend a dinner in Argentina on Dec. 1st.…

And Coincidentally, ASML ( The only manufacture of EUV Equipment in the World used by every Leading node Fab ) had a Fire Hazard which causes Product Delays.

I don't know about you, but these are not an accident, there are links in the Chain, the work of a single organisation, the Syndicate. A rogue nation trying to do destroy the system that created them, regardless who is in the way.

An Anti - IMF.

Ok small jokes only. But both pieces of news, the professor and CFO arrested are blocked in WeChat and Weibo so no one knew about it.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by Carlton87 »

gonvaled wrote: post #494
sbov wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you find requiring the president to sign and congress to approve a treaty convoluted, what DON'T you find convoluted? Putting together a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is more conceptually complex, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't baffle international leaders, or you.

I don't find convoluted when you say that you take part into an international agreement, and then you stick to your word. You expect the whole world to be familiar with the intricacies of the US Government. I assume that you have taken the same interest in familiarizing yourself with the technicalities of the Serbian government agreeing to international treaties.

The United States of America has a population over 300 million, we did not agree to take part in the international agreement. Obama knew that the American people would not support the agreement which is why he did it with the stroke of a pen rather than through congress.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by netsharc »

walrus66 wrote: post #566
resters wrote: post #532

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Exactly. The neoconservative ethos does not concern itself with those sorts of side effects. What the US is doing is a form of terrorism. It completely nullifies any inspiring or positive influence that the narratives about the US founding principles might evoke in those abroad, and it is only possible due to the idea of American Exceptionalism, which is patently false to anyone who observes without bias US actions.

A power asserting its dominance has been the norm for thousands of years; you have just been brainwashed into hating your country. As for neocons being responsible for everything- just wow- that’s two steps past ignorant. The last president and Secretary of State are directly responsible for open slave markets in libya. Predatory foreign policy has been the only bipartisan issue in our history.

I'm not the one you replied to, but you're commenting under my reply chain, so...

> you have just been brainwashed into hating your country.

That's a very large assumption from a few lines of text, I'll classify this as a cheap baseless attack/dismissal.

> The last president and Secretary of State are directly responsible for open slave markets in libya.

So I guess Bush and Cheney are "directly responsible" for a lot of thousand dead Iraqis and Afghanis. Or were those military interventions justified in your eyes? At least Obama has admitted "the aftermath" is his biggest regret.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by AngeloAnolin »

Just a bit unclear on this:

"Canada has arrested the chief financial officer of China’s Huawei Technologies, who now faces extradition to the United States on suspicion she violated U.S. trade sanctions against Iran."

What violation was really committed? Was it Huawei doing business with Iran, like selling chips/devices/etc on their product line? If it (the Huawei company) did, shouldn't everyone on the company's employ who have had a hand on the products that were provided to Iran be arrested?

I look forward to having more factual information on this, rather than mere speculations on the violations that were supposedly committed.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by mips_avatar »

qd6pwu4 wrote: post #336
mips_avatar wrote: post #248

China has a long history of disregarding United Nations and US sanctions. During the second Iraq war they defied UN sanctions by selling anti-aircraft defense systems to Iraq directly endangering US and coalition fighters. Edit: verb tense. https://books.google.com/books?id=grGMAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT221&lpg=...

Keep in mind that US sanctions against foreign companies doing business with Iran are opposed by: The United Nations International Court of Justice, which ordered the US to withdraw sanctions, to which the US responded by pulling out of international agreements. The European Union, which has attempted to block its companies from complying with US sanctions. With that said, the US is free to sanction anyone for its ow…

I mean you’re right that the UN has a lot of realpolitik, and you need to take those decisions with a grain of salt. But the rulings you are referring to are an instance where the US took a different ideological stance to the EU as to the best course of action to deal with Iran (which nobody wants to have intercontinental ballistic missiles, but really doesn’t want it to have nuclear weapons).

The example I gave and what it looks like Meng did at Huawei are examples of the Chinese government actively supporting weapons programs in hostile regions. I very much feel that she should stand trial for the deception she did constructing these shell companies to sell US export controlled items to Iran.

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Post by Kalium »

jacquesm wrote: post #393
nostromo wrote: post #320

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> It is wrong for the US to walk away from this treaty The Iran Nuclear Deal and the Paris Accords were not treaties. We have a process to ratify treaties in the US. The president approves a treaty and sends it to the senate to approve or reject. It's easy for president to make executive order agreements because it doesn't require approval from the senate (something Obama knew he couldn't get for either deal). But al…

Then the US should change their procedures: first get the treaty ratified then get their head-of-state to go and sign the treaty. Otherwise, in the eyes of the rest of the world the treaty has been signed and the US is bound by it, whatever their internal politics. Optics matter. The way it looks now because of this - and many other recent examples - that the US is not trustworthy.

A non-trivial number of countries have separate signing and ratification procedures. This is common enough that no reasonable observer in international politics automatically equates the two. Most of them have procedures that mirror those of the US!

It's worth considering that changing this process from one widely understood to one widely not understood is likely to lead to more confusion about weird internal political processes rather than less.

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Post by Kalium »

toyg wrote: post #423
dlhw wrote: post #382

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It's not completely unusual that criminals get arrested in allied countries through mutual cooperation, then get extradited for trial. This is happens with other countries as well besides the US. As to whether or not that's right, I personally think it's reasonable. Most all countries seek to enforce their laws regardless of location, especially when they deem a serious crime was committed against them.

No, most countries don’t try to enforce their laws like that. If she has “committed” these acts while in China, obeying Chinese law, there is simply no crime. This is not “robbed a bank in country X and then fled to Y”, which is what international law-enforcement cooperation was built for. This is like “copied Windows in a country where piracy is legal”. It’s a massive overreach by US and Canada, but then again, they…

If you commit a major crime against Chinese law, and then visit China, they are within their rights to arrest you for it.

Similarly, if you commit a major crime against Canadian law and visit Canada, they can arrest you for it. And if you also committed a crime against US law, the US can petition for you to be extradited after the Canadians arrest you.

I fear I don't understand where the overreach is. I've clearly missed an important and nuanced detail. Can you help me?

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Post by toyg »

tssva wrote: post #550
emilsedgh wrote: post #442

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As a Jewish born Iranian atheist refugee to the states who protested against Iran a few years ago in Iran, I'd have to say, you're pretty wrong on this one. I hate Islamic Republic with every single cell in my body but you're just wrong. * U.S. plain and simply fucked Iran up with a coup at 1953. * Then helped Islamic Republic gain power in 1979. (This is up for debate though) * Then helped Saddam Hussein attack Iran…

Iran was already fucked up of its own doing before the 1953 coup. For the last few centuries Iran's history had been alternating periods of civil war and regional agression on Iran's part. The late 19th century was marked by occupation by Russia and the Ottoman empire. Following defeats in wars which Iran generally had provoked. Once Iran became a constitutional monarchy in the early 20th century political instabilit…

You have not really disproven most of the more recent issues he brought up. The US (and Britain) did have a big hand in the struggle that culminated in the Iranian revolution: for fear of getting a USSR ally, they got a completely out-of-control regime and then have fought it with the dirtiest tricks they could muster ever since. Sure, nobody is fully innocent, but that doesn't justify acting like a c*nt in return; it actually justifies blaming "the big bad West" and helping the worst sectors of Iranian society. Isolation always helps this sort of regime, see also: fascist Italy, socialist Cuba and so on.

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Post by ashelmire »

emptyfile wrote: post #533
creaghpatr wrote: post #523

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>There's never been a discussion about a European army, now it crops up, for example. Haha, good luck with that. EU will always come crawling to grovel for US military support, don’t be naive.

AFAIK in the last 2 decades it was Europeans supporting American wars not the other way around... But I guess the war in Iraq was too long ago to be remembered today by Americans.

The Iraq war involved about 150k us troops, 50k British... and about 6k from 20 other nations combined. So outside of Britain, there was basically no outside support (and I’m not sure Britain really counts, considering they are withdrawing from the EU and have always sort of seen themselves as apart).

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by [deleted] »

eh78ssxv2f wrote: post #352
wonthegame wrote: post #90

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Really? There are extradition agreements between Canada and he US... let’s say you murder someone. You can’t just leave the country and expect the new host to not care! What she is alleged to have done would be a crime in Canada too so her nationality isn’t relevant.

> You can’t just leave the country and expect the new host to not care! That's not a fair comparison. If any law was broken, it was definitely not broken on US soil. It would be like US arresting people that it thinks committed murders in China. > What she is alleged to have done would be a crime in Canada too so her nationality isn’t relevant. I think it is. It's also relevant where the crime occured. e.g., lets say…

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