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Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by forkLding »

MetalGuru wrote: post #69
dahdum wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't be sure, and that's a risk you'll always take when going to a country China can extradite you from. Singling China out is silly though, any country can do this, some just have more political clout to pull it off. For instance, Thailand sought extradition of those insulting their king abroad. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/29/thailand-bhumi...

This is mind-blowing and appalling. A 30-year prison sentence for posting on Facebook?

Well a good comparison, is that the same amount of weed you have in Canada will get you arrested in non-weed US states.

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Post by [deleted] »

emmelaich wrote: post #236
mciak wrote: post #8

Note that this arrest was due to the lesser sin of export control busting, rather than Huawei's biggest sin: facilitating surveillance and IP theft. Remarkable that they (she?) went through all the effort to set up a HK front company, but then left the Huawei logo on their powerpoint decks

Maybe they're getting for what they can prove rather than what they suspect. Like Capote for tax fraud.

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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by adventured »

wtfstatists wrote: post #234
adventured wrote: post #212

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> Do you want to hurt US market/USD ? Because thats what use of your justifications will do. That's not going to happen. China is also not going to over-react. They're going to under-react, because their economy and global political context is at a slightly precarious point. It's why the US has been able to apply such immense tariffs without China doing anything crazy so far: they still need the US more than the US n…

Its not just US vs China. Its US vs Market. Its the hand of market that US need to watch out for. Everytime a powerful entity acts like a madman, it gets weaker. Soon or later it will receive 1000th cut which may be one too many. Today US became less reliable.

You're exaggerating what this tiny incident means to the market. Historically this doesn't show up on the list at all, it's just barely a one day top 10 business story.

The market in this context effectively means the top 30 or 40 economies. They make up the extreme majority of all global GDP.

What practical alternative to the US as an essential ally in the coming global bifurcation with China and Russia do you perceive that: EU, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Mexico, UK, etc - have? Who else is there? There is nobody else to help offset the enormity of China's looming power. The US has, on many occasions since WW2, done radically worse than arrest a Huawei executive over sanctions on a foreign nation. Mr. Market barely blinked over Snowden and the global espionage revelations for example, which was a thousand times worse than this incident. It had enormous commerce implications. For the most part the world went on with its business; and here we are years later, the US espionage system continues unabated (actually it's stronger now) and mostly unchallenged. This arrest will barely matter at all to Mr. Market.

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Post by gen3 »

dmix wrote: post #188
ajross wrote: post #153

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You could try to make a case about Android, but as you posit an open source internationally available source base would be hard to prosecute. This is surely about hardware.

Android on production smartphones is hardly equivalent to the open source versions of Android available online...

True, but the majority of it is. The customization of Android was done in China anyways, so I'm not sure there is an argument of it being a US export.

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Post by natalyarostova »

djsumdog wrote: post #235
dreamcompiler wrote: post #16

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The article suggests she took US-made products and routed them to Iran through Huawei. That's a US crime, and the US can issue a warrant for her arrest, and if she shows up in a country with extradition to the US, she can get arrested. Which is apparently what happened.

This only works one way though. No one arrested Ronald Regan for selling guns to the contras to fund the revolution in Iran. The US gets to do this because might makes right.

Indeed it does.

And for the sake of humanity let's hope the US is never beholden to Chinese whims.

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Post by baby »

estsauver wrote: post #22

I would not look forward to being an American businessman abroad in China right now. I think we're all used to the fiction that we live in a world that's totally governed by fairness and laws. That's been a pretty useful fiction for a long time, and in (some) of the developed world that's basically been how it's worked. But I really wonder how many shocks this system can take. I would bet money that an important US e…

Most people commenting here have never been to China. As a foreigner you enjoy a freedom greater than in the US.

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Post by mips_avatar »

China has a long history of disregarding United Nations and US sanctions. During the second Iraq war they defied UN sanctions by selling anti-aircraft defense systems to Iraq directly endangering US and coalition fighters.

Edit: verb tense.

https://books.google.com/books?id=grGMAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT221&lpg=...

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by baby »

MetalGuru wrote: post #63
estsauver wrote: post #22

I would not look forward to being an American businessman abroad in China right now. I think we're all used to the fiction that we live in a world that's totally governed by fairness and laws. That's been a pretty useful fiction for a long time, and in (some) of the developed world that's basically been how it's worked. But I really wonder how many shocks this system can take. I would bet money that an important US e…

Seriously. It's this fiction that makes me believe that, despite it's flaws, America (along with other democratic countries) is a beacon compared to the rest of the world. A country locking up a foreigner for breaking their laws is so different than a country locking up said foreigner out of retaliation, which is what I imagine China will end up doing.

> America is a beacon compared to the rest of the world

lol

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Post by fastball »

namirez wrote: post #174
fastball wrote: post #166

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Hmm. You keep forgetting the important bit. Let me help you out again. "One can end up in jail by simply hiring nationals from sanctioned countries and then giving them access to documents pertaining to US military technology ." This doesn't just happen to any random employer or any random professor. It happens when you are working for the DoD and you do something you shouldn't. If you don't want to run afoul of such…

> and then giving them access to documents pertaining to US military technology Not true! Once a technology is deemed to fall under ITAR or EAR, the export regulations kick in. Doesn't matter if the technology belongs to the government, a large company, a startup, or a university lab. And for obvious reasons, sometimes people are not aware this fact.

Random technology does not fall under ITAR or EAR. They are specific regulations that are pertinent to a very particular industry. If you are building military defense technology, you should probably be familiar those regulations and act accordingly.
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