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Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by htpttoe18 »

Down_n_Out wrote: post #328
austincheney wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A few will say that Iran is threatening Middle East Peace. That is widely agree upon largely due to Iran's shipment of weapons and financing of external militant groups actively engaged in various conflicts. I am currently in the Middle East due to one or more of these conflicts. I am not stating any opinion for or against the recent (now ignored) agreement. > What is even wrong for the US is punishing foreign comp…

> That is widely agree upon largely due to Iran's shipment of weapons and financing of external militant groups actively engaged in various conflicts. Where is your proof on this? Where is all of the proof on any of the things claimed about Iran? Just like there were mass destructive weapons in Irak?? Sure, we know how that turned out. It's time for big ol' USA to just stop meddling in affairs it has no business in.…

> Where is your proof on this?

Not proof but it seems an academic exercise. How would they not ally with some enemies of their enemy? With their neighbors invaded, arms and support for rebel groups and threats, constantly pouring in from the other side of the planet, how could they stay out of trouble and not develop weapon systems and allies?

There's no carrot for these supposedly crazed nations, well Libya was approached and disarmed...

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Post by eh78ssxv2f »

wonthegame wrote: post #90
fosk wrote: post #3

Can somebody explain to me on what authority the US can request the arrest of a Chinese national on Canadian soil for any action they took while conducting operations of a Chinese organization headquartered in China?

Really? There are extradition agreements between Canada and he US... let’s say you murder someone. You can’t just leave the country and expect the new host to not care! What she is alleged to have done would be a crime in Canada too so her nationality isn’t relevant.

> You can’t just leave the country and expect the new host to not care!

That's not a fair comparison. If any law was broken, it was definitely not broken on US soil. It would be like US arresting people that it thinks committed murders in China.

> What she is alleged to have done would be a crime in Canada too so her nationality isn’t relevant.

I think it is. It's also relevant where the crime occured. e.g., lets say some small country decides that it's illegal to wear grey color pants. Then, can they morally arrest any person anywhere in the world that they think wore grey color pants at any point in the time at any place in the world?

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Post by goodcanadian »

vorticalbox wrote: post #348

I was under the impression that unless you left the airport you're not technically in that country. That's how Julian Assange evaded arrest.

Not so. The airport is definitely the territory of the country in which it resides. You do not have to clear immigration to be subject to that nation's laws.

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Post by ummonk »

eh78ssxv2f wrote: post #349
panarky wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the US was wrong to abandon the nuclear deal with Iran. But that's not the whole story with the Huawei CFO arrest. China and their state-owned and state-controlled companies are stealing trade secrets and military technology instead of developing it on their own. Chinese companies enjoy open access to Western markets, but Western companies are highly restricted in their access to Chinese markets. If Huawei illeg…

> China and their state-owned and state-controlled companies are stealing trade secrets and military technology instead of developing it on their own. Do you have any evidence for this? Have we arrested any US citizens for selling/leaking military technology to China?

While there is definitely good reason to believe that is happening, it should be noted that multiple Chinese-American scientists have been subjected to meritless witch-hunts. See e.g. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/11/feature-chinese-amer... and https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/technology/sherry-chen-na... for examples.

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Post by baby »

mac01021 wrote: post #253
baby wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people commenting here have never been to China. As a foreigner you enjoy a freedom greater than in the US.

I have spent a total of a few months in China and have not perceived the phenomenon to which you allude.

Were you in a large city like Beijing or Shanghai? This is odd. Foreigners act like monkeys there.

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Post by baby »

jbay808 wrote: post #281
baby wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people commenting here have never been to China. As a foreigner you enjoy a freedom greater than in the US.

Having been a foreigner in both countries, I felt more oppressed in China than by the USA, although only somewhat.

It was the contrary to me.

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Post by dlhw »

sien wrote: post #343
dlhw wrote: post #327

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Just because someone doesn’t agree with a law doesn’t mean that they should be able to break it without consequences. If she knowingly tried to export to Iran knowing it was forbidden by law, then she got what was coming to her. > What is even wrong for the US is punishing foreign companies wanting to do business in Iran. Perhaps there are technicalities to demonstrate a law in the US is broken. This makes sense for…

She is a citizen of a foreign country. She is not subject to US law. Extra-territorial application of law is a nightmare. How would the US react if a US businessman was arrested for trading with Israel in Turkey?

> She is a citizen of a foreign country. She is not subject to US law.

If a tourist travels to another country and breaks that country's laws, they will be subject to the consequences of breaking those laws. So why should a foreigner that willingly conspires to use Huawei's US business to break the US laws be free from punishment? The fact that they are a foreigner is irrelevant.

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Post by [deleted] »

dlhw wrote: post #350
olalonde wrote: post #339

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> Just because someone doesn’t agree with a law doesn’t mean that they should be able to break it without consequences. I'd argue this is not as self evident as you imply for such "worldwide" laws. It's at the very least debatable whether a country should have the ability to make laws that apply to foreigners in foreign countries.

> It's at the very least debatable whether a country should have the ability to make laws that apply to foreigners in foreign countries. That's a fair point. However if Huawei has a physical presence as a business in the US (which it does) then it should certainly be subject to obeying US laws. The one responsible for violating that law should be held responsible for breaking the law, whether they are a foreigner or…

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Post by dillondoyle »

qd6pwu4 wrote: post #340

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/a3hied/huawei_de... Keep in mind that US sanctions against foreign companies doing business with Iran are opposed by: The United Nations International Court of Justice, which ordered the US to withdraw sanctions, to which the US responded by pulling out of international agreements. The European Union, which has attempted to block its companies from complying with US sanctio…

Plus the arrested party is the daughter of the founder; I can't separate that fact when trying to infer intention here.

I definitely feel anxious..

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Post by yhellothere »

qd6pwu4 wrote: post #340

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/a3hied/huawei_de... Keep in mind that US sanctions against foreign companies doing business with Iran are opposed by: The United Nations International Court of Justice, which ordered the US to withdraw sanctions, to which the US responded by pulling out of international agreements. The European Union, which has attempted to block its companies from complying with US sanctio…

Doubtful about massive and major. The US and China have a complicated relationship over Taiwan a la sovereignty -- replace Taiwan with, say, Japan and you have a better but still imperfect analogy.
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