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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by AndrewUnmuted » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 9:32 AM UTC

emptyfile wrote: post #417

No problem USA! Go back on the Iran deal, go back on the Paris climate deal, go back on TPP. Just don't expect that anyone believes you anymore.

You think THIS proves the US is not a trustworthy nation? Why choose to ignore the last 100+ years of the US's backstory and focus on this rather minor setback to make such a bold statement? I would imagine any amount of trust we had left was entirely exhausted more than 40 years ago, during the Nixon shock [0] and Exorbitant privilege [1].

Surely, you realize the US earns its status on the global stage via its violent & powerful military, and the PetroDollar? It is foolish to suggest that the US expects other nations to possess any pretense of trust.

You don't have to believe me, because after all I'm just some dumb American. But you may want to take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself who is being the true "American" here.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_shock

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorbitant_privilege

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by zavi » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 9:33 AM UTC

huahaiy wrote: post #411

Coincidentally, a Stanford Chinese American scientist, Prof. Shoucheng Zhang ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoucheng_Zhang ), who discovered the Quantum Spin Hall effect that plays a big part in the recent Intel announcement of the next generation of chip design, was found dead on Stanford campus on Dec. 1st. Before he's death, Prof. Zhang went together with Huawei's CFO to attend a dinner in Argentina on Dec. 1st.…

Suicide apparently https://www.chinamoneynetwork.com/2018/12/06/renowed-chinese...

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by sbov » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 9:35 AM UTC

gonvaled wrote: post #377

nostromo wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is wrong for the US to walk away from this treaty The Iran Nuclear Deal and the Paris Accords were not treaties. We have a process to ratify treaties in the US. The president approves a treaty and sends it to the senate to approve or reject. It's easy for president to make executive order agreements because it doesn't require approval from the senate (something Obama knew he couldn't get for either deal). But al…

What I read from this is: "the US has a convoluted process, which nobody understands, in order to commit to international agreements". It seems everybody, including head of states, thought the US had agreed to the treaties, but they had not (?), because of a technicality. I assume these technicalities can be applied to anything, any time, in order to justify pulling out of international agreements. Worse, instead of…

If you find requiring the president to sign and congress to approve a treaty convoluted, what DON'T you find convoluted? Putting together a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is more conceptually complex, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't baffle international leaders, or you.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by Down_n_Out » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 9:37 AM UTC

torstenvl wrote: post #425

Down_n_Out wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But yes, of course I know Shiite military are active in the middle east. I mean, it is their region, right? I can sense militarism in your terminology. Shiite militia, sunni militia? How about state-sponsored violence in the name of oil? You would not call that ‘militia’ would you? Since you copy pasted some news articles as evidence, here is some articles that argue otherwise for you: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/…

Well, since you accuse me of "throw[ing] nuclear . . . around" when I said no such thing, I hope you'll forgive me if I'm not convinced that it is I who should improve the nuance of my position. Particularly since none of the links you've posted support your position. Enjoy the rest of your day.

You are right, you did not throw that around, you is used in plural as well. While you personally didn't throw it around it's just a statement I make to the general public, like I said, it's not all about you and/or I, it's about people, the Iranian people, not trying to generalize or single out.

I'm not attacking anyone or arguing with you in person, just trying to show that I too find evidence and not base my views on personal feelings alone. Enjoy the rest of your day as well.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by abricot » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 9:37 AM UTC

FabHK wrote: post #218

ptero wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But on general grounds, why a Chinese company should comply with sanctions between US and Iran? And why a fourth country is arresting Chinese citizens violating US rules? I am sure most of us break UAE laws on being with members of opposite gender without a chaperone and even post pictures of class reunions, etc. But I'm not expecting to be arrested for this while visiting, say, Sweden.

A lot of the extraterritorial power of US jurisdiction is due to the fact that a lot of international commerce is denominated in USD. Matt Levine writes about this occasionally in his informative and amusing news letter "Money Matters" [1], for example [2]: > The basic system of international trade is: > 1. International trade is done using U.S. dollars. > 2. Any trade done using U.S. dollars is subject to the jurisd…

EU seems to want to change the US Dollar hegemony[1] as of late.

[1]http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-6643_en.htm

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by tonyedgecombe » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 9:40 AM UTC

farseer wrote: post #375

qd6pwu4 wrote: post #340

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/a3hied/huawei_de... Keep in mind that US sanctions against foreign companies doing business with Iran are opposed by: The United Nations International Court of Justice, which ordered the US to withdraw sanctions, to which the US responded by pulling out of international agreements. The European Union, which has attempted to block its companies from complying with US sanctio…

They arrested the founder's daughter! I think it would be a good idea for American execs in China to take a long vacation home until this cools down. No one wants to become collateral damage between a great power rivalry.

Or Chinese execs in America.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by benj111 » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 9:42 AM UTC

YZF wrote: post #267

hinkley wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A trade embargo does nothing if any middleman can funnel goods and money across by simply misrepresenting or omitting details about where the goods are going. If I’m wholesaling Cisco routers and they show up in Syria or Iran, and Cisco and I can prove we didn’t know how they got there , that still doesn’t make it okay.

You can still be held responsible. The law requires you to check on who the final customer is and to take some actions on any suspicious transaction. Someone will come knocking on your door and you will need to show documentation to support your assertion that you "couldn't have known". If a product is subject to a trade embargo you can't just "sell it to a middleman" and turn a blind eye.

Im trying to understand if your last comment is aimed at HP or Huawai?

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by fogetti » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 9:43 AM UTC

_ptgt wrote: post #401

qd6pwu4 wrote: post #340

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/a3hied/huawei_de... Keep in mind that US sanctions against foreign companies doing business with Iran are opposed by: The United Nations International Court of Justice, which ordered the US to withdraw sanctions, to which the US responded by pulling out of international agreements. The European Union, which has attempted to block its companies from complying with US sanctio…

>But arresting foreign nationals in other countries for violating US sanctions? That's the equivalent of Russia arresting American business executives and extraditing them to China for violating Chinese sanctions against Taiwan - and yes, there are sanctions against Taiwan, which are regularly ignored by the US, of course. No, it isn't. They're only equivalent if the American executive's company in question is sellin…

You basically repeated what the OP said and making it look like it meant the opposite. Which it does not.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by netsharc » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 9:45 AM UTC

odiroot wrote: post #390

qd6pwu4 wrote: post #340

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/a3hied/huawei_de... Keep in mind that US sanctions against foreign companies doing business with Iran are opposed by: The United Nations International Court of Justice, which ordered the US to withdraw sanctions, to which the US responded by pulling out of international agreements. The European Union, which has attempted to block its companies from complying with US sanctio…

> Keep in mind that US sanctions against foreign companies doing business with Iran are opposed by: They may be but US is on the right side of history on this one. And I say this as an European.

History is long, and I can't say it with as much definitive certainty as you (I wish you'd cite your reasoning), but as far as I know the reintroduction of sanctions against Iran will cause economic hardships which will radicalize a lot of people, and which will cause further instability to the world.

The same kind of hardships that also radicalized Trump voters, it lead them to vote a populist fascist into power.

Of course if Iran or Iranians cause trouble in the future, you'd use these as an excuse to say "Trump did the right thing, see what they did, they deserved those sanctions!", ignoring cause and effect: without the sanctions, they wouldn't be that pissed off to cause these troubles.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by supergirl » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 9:45 AM UTC

fosk wrote: post #3

Can somebody explain to me on what authority the US can request the arrest of a Chinese national on Canadian soil for any action they took while conducting operations of a Chinese organization headquartered in China?

the authority of the biggest military of all countries