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Should've done it weeks ago. Utterly shameless.

I'm out of the loop. What happened weeks ago to spur this? The linked article isn't particularly helpful.

Reckless spending commitments that were challenged by the Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland. Favourite to take over I might add.

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If you're posting on Hacker News, you probably have a skill set that'll allow you to get a job covered by a TN. You go to border control, tell them you're applying for a TN, hand them a copy of your identification, resume, credentials, and offer letter. Then you wait for a couple of hours while they process you, and you're set for the next few years. Rinse and repeat until your job sponsors you for an H1-B or you mar…

You can apply for a Green Card directly from TN status, although timing has been an issue recently.

Not a lawyer, but isn't that kind of dicey? The TN is non-immigration and temporary - it's not supposed to be used if you have any intention of permanently migrating. I'd worry about it putting your TN status in jeopardy.

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>but when nothing else works sometimes you have to get out the big guns. Isn't that why you have the police, army, etc? You use force to remove those people breaking the laws, not go after their families. That's some USSR shit.

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> The truckers were warned what would happen, and they made their families pay the price.

This is a terrifying comment and you should really start re-examining your outlook on life. I really hope you are nowhere near any sort of lever of power.

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YSK that the people who had their accounts frozen weren't simply protesting in Ottawa; they were blocking international borders to our largest trading partner, effectively holding our economy hostage. This absolutely constitutes behavior that's a danger to our nation so it makes sense to freeze the accounts of the people doing it. To be clear, there were many attempts to settle this without freezing people's bank acc…

> effectively holding our economy hostage This is what a protest is. (French here). If protesters go as far, and in Canada it was because you did them dirty, then you must sit at a table and negotiate. You must sit at a table and negotiate with everyone in a country. You cannot do someone dirty then complain that they protest. It’s effects removing the right to protest, and therefore, removing democracy itself. Go li…

Speaking as someone who has been in dozens of protests in my life: yes, that is what protest is, and as a protester engaging in civil disobedience you expect the response from authorities. That is exactly the point. When I have been on the receiving end of tear gas, there was no surprise. Big duh.

Crying because your illegal civil disobedience led to civil reaction by the law is the height of "oh no the leopard ate my face" idiocy.

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A liberal protesting organization would have used bicycles and would thus have been legal.

A good parallel is the U.S. campus protests in opposition to military aid for Israel's Gaza campaign, which were violently dispersed. You can find lots of instances of mostly right wingers saying they should never be able to get a job again and such.

That was Bill Ackman. There were also right wingers like Candace Owens who took a stand against it. It’s inaccurate to say that every person on the right was agreeing with that statement.

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I never voted for Justin Trudeau and don't like him, but despite all the angry rhetoric right now in the long term I think he will be considered by history to be one of the better Canadian PMs. Amongst the Canadian PMs I've experienced, Chretien, Martin, Harper, Trudeau made the most impactful and positive policy changes (eg. legal cannabis, childcare) while navigating the country through the challenges of covid and…

There is absolutely no way he will be looked at as one of the better Canadian PMs.. By all accounts he will be looked at as one of the worst considering the position Canada was in at the start and end of his government. Inflation, unemployment, housing, homelessness, healthcare, crime, national unity, the overall economy. .. Just all of these things are significantly worse than 2015. With that being said I do think c…

Half of those issues are provincial.

Canadian politics is the Spiderman meme with local, provincial and federal governments all pointing their fingers at each other.

If healthcare in your province sucks blame your Premier.

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And the court of law later determined that this was an abuse of power and unlawful. The fact that there is an existing law that can be abused does not negate the argument that abusing it is unlawful.

> And the court of law later determined […] And an Act -mandated commission said it was warranted: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Order_Emergency_Commiss...

On April 25, 2022, Prime Minister Trudeau selected Rouleau to be the commissioner of the Public Order Emergency Commission inquiry into the invocation of the Emergencies Act, which had occurred in response to the 2022 Canada convoy protest.

~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rouleau

That is one step removed from Trudeau investigating himself, we're not talking the gold standard of systemic independence here.

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They have messed up so much in this election that it must have been on purpose.

Hanlon's Razor seems to fit too well IMHO. Assuming malice is a hard one to swallow when the evidence of bad decision-making is everywhere to see. To be on purpose for example you would have to assume that the hordes of people inside and outside the administration and the media all conspired to cover up Biden's deteriorating state, with the knowledge (or high probability) that he would lose in the first debate and st…

No, there is no need to assume "hordes of people", just the top echelon, the ones knowing the real situation.

The hordes of people you have in mind are very malleable and are easily conducted.

One example: https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/tv-anchors-decryi...

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Is it me or does it seem like the internet era has taken away incumbent advantage and actually put incumbents at a massive disadvantage? I'm not here to attack or defend what Trudeau has actually done, only to posit the idea that once you become a leader in the political landscape there is a very effective machine whose only job is to attack you, personally, as much as possible anywhere you're perceived to be vulnerable. If you've followed US politics for the last decade the perfect example of this is "tan suit".

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I have migrated from Canada to the USA and my metrics for wealth, ease of mind, actually working while at work, outgoingness, etc instantly improved. I don't plan on ever going back. I feel chagrin at seeing Canada fail. I'm glad to see Justin Trudeau pressured out, I know there won't be meaningful change associated with the decision, but I have hope.

The USA is great when you're working age and are healthy. Outside the 18-65 age range, not so much. I hope Canada will not morph into USA-lite.

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