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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by zawaideh »

vivekd wrote: post #120
fullshark wrote: post #24

That link says he's going to stay on as PM? In the video he says he "intends to resign."

Canada has a parliamentary system where the leader of the party with the most votes becomes prime Minister. So Trudeau can step down as leader of his party while remaining Prime Minister. In this case he intends to stay on until his party selects a new Prime Minister

Technically the leader of the party with most seats gets first shot at forming government. If it is a minority parliament, another party could get a shot at forming government if the first place one fails.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by tensor »

busterarm wrote: post #434
anonporridge wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is not and never has been any place on Earth where being poor and sick doesn't suck.

But at least in the US, if you can afford the treatment, you can get it.

But at least in first world countries, unlike the US, you WILL get treatment. Even if you are poor, like 95% of the US population.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

johnny_canuck wrote: post #265
mkipper wrote: post #154

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> The Canadian dollar has collapsed VS the USD This might be splitting hairs, but I think this is more about the strength of USD than the weakness of CAD. I don't know that you can say CAD has "collapsed" when every other major currency has seen a similar (or worse) drop compared to USD over the last 10 years.

It always is this. Same reason the CAD was at parity during the financial crisis.

After 2008 we also "benefited" from very high oil prices which drove the dollar higher

That high dollar didn't do any positive things for Ontario & Quebec's export oriented manufacturing sector though, which is why I put "benefited" in quotes.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by busterarm »

lbrito wrote: post #438
3vidence wrote: post #404

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I feel like its sentiment like this why the liberal party is heading for a historic collapse. "Everything is fine, just cancel disney+" Like young people are struggling... really badly and it seems like the government has done everything they can to make it worse. Most people I've met really don't Like Pierre Pollieve (myself included) but to say the current governments ineptness is propaganda is actually insane.

Well, that wasn't my comment at all. I was specifically stating that the "Canada is broken" rhetoric is largely propaganda. That is very different from saying "everything is fine".

What do you call broken then?

Society is fundamentally not serving the prosperity of its younger generations. That is true in both the US and Canada. The wealth transfer upwards across generations is a breakdown of the social contract.

Millenials and younger have a great point, even if they articulate it poorly, and are being completely ignored but can't be for much longer. These demographics are just now coming into their political agency...

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Post by freedomben »

TaurenHunter wrote: post #372
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #182

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Liberals did not "give up power" in the US. They lost power in the US. That's not the same thing.

They have messed up so much in this election that it must have been on purpose.

Hanlon's Razor seems to fit too well IMHO. Assuming malice is a hard one to swallow when the evidence of bad decision-making is everywhere to see. To be on purpose for example you would have to assume that the hordes of people inside and outside the administration and the media all conspired to cover up Biden's deteriorating state, with the knowledge (or high probability) that he would lose in the first debate and step down without giving Harris enough time (or whatever theory you believe to explain why she lost). Just that portion alone is quite hard to believe IMHO.

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Post by mike_hearn »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #380
rand_r wrote: post #363

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I don’t know why they couldn’t do the friggen obvious move of asking the police to unblock the roads by force, and impounding the vehicles for repeat offences. Going after bank accounts was a coward move that never made sense. If I just sat down in the middle of a subway tunnel, I would be removed by force immediately, no matter what I was protesting. They created problems for themselves by not doing the obvious solu…

The city or the province could have done that. They didn't. The Feds could only use federal reasons. The mishandled response to the trucker protest should be blamed on the city and the province, not on Trudeau.

Trudeau was the one who triggered the protests in the first place.

The liberal, moral, fast and peaceful solution to the trucker protests was simple: stop forcing people to take experimental drugs against their will. The vaccines didn't reduce transmission, and there is no rule against living life in a risky way (even if you believe the vaccines worked at all), so there was never any moral argument for the mandates. The truckers were right to protest, as Trudeau and the Canadian people were doing them a severe injustice.

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Post by cempaka »

agentultra wrote: post #345
parthdesai wrote: post #298

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It's not a partisan issue. The Charter is pretty clear on the limitations placed on protests. If those truckers had dispersed within a day they would have been fine. But they were accepting donations and foreign money in order to stay encamped and had no intention of dispersing.

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Post by tlss »

B1FF_PSUVM wrote: post #273
lamontcg wrote: post #225

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I mean, the South in the US waged a really big protest because they wanted slaves, and we murdered each other enough that they sort of changed their mind. Not every political grievance is on the right side of history.

> the right side of history. A particularly odious moral framework, mostly used to justify mass murder.

Everyone thinks they're on the right side of history :)

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by SpecialistK »

csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

I'll quote my own comment on the trucker situation from a year and a half ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37450666

> It's a story of everyone going way too far.

> The government(s) went way overboard with Pfizer proof of purchase QR codes to get lunch. Especially when uptake was 80%+

> They also went overboard by locking down again over the holidays when everyone was already catching the most contagious Omicron. People not being able to go to a gym to stay fit, that already needed a barcode, swayed a lot of the public that things were going on too long.

> But the obnoxiousness of the truckers also went too far for too long. The news of rifles and arrests in Alberta was (obviously) too far.

> I don't have a citation on hand, but at one point more than a third of Canadians did support either the truckers explicitly or their aims, and that's a higher percentage than voted for the current governing party. Support was higher among younger people, sometimes over 50%. But this percentage decreased as time went on.

> The government also completely failed to act diplomatically or to de-escalate the situation. Instead we had inflammatory rhetoric and a focus on some silly flags (which should be condemned, but a lot of people have doubts as to their sincerity, and I've seen some pretty gross signs against the unvaxxed too)

> Some people, even in this comment section, take their rhetoric and opposition too far.

> There is no doubt in my mind that the more time passes, the more we will look at Canada's response to the pandemic (especially in its later years) as a horrendous failure that harmed trust in public health, harmed social cohesion, and harmed our democratic and civil institutions. Everyone failed and everyone suffered as a result.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by AlexandrB »

busterarm wrote: post #449
stainablesteel wrote: post #304

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canada got to the point that they can't turn off the immigration faucet, they need it for their economy to survive, but people have come to hate it so much that they can't maintain it, they're in for a collapse because of it

Non-immigrant Canadians will have to change their living expectations and use housing more effectively (density). Or perish. When I was university-aged, all of my asian and indian international student friends were living like 11-14 people to an apartment.

I thought immigrants were here to save the economy. Why does everyone need to scale back to living like college students then?
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