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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by glitchc » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:44 PM UTC

Tiktaalik wrote: post #333

glitchc wrote: post #255

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A big reason driving the collapse of the Canadian dollar is the incumbent government's climate change policy. Since being elected to power, the government has regulated, stalled and effectively defunded the fossil fuel industry, accounting for approx. 22-30% of Canada's GDP. That loss of revenue is felt in the dollar exchange.

This is not true in the slightest. Beyond the fact that the government went so far as to buy a pipeline to ensure added capacity for Alberta oil sands development, they've been enormously supportive of LNG development in BC, approving many projects and recently going so far as to give a $500M loan toward a project. https://www.ipolitics.ca/news/crown-corp-loans-500-million-f...

Please stop spreading lies and FUD. The pipeline buyout was too little too late after the government stalled and delayed permits over never-ending environmental assessments. All in all, the projected cost of capital flight exceeds $30 billion CAD (the article is from 2019):

https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/the-30-billion-...

The government has openly committed to ending all funding for fossil fuels in 2024:

https://www.iisd.org/articles/insight/ending-canada-support-...

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by bryanlarsen » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:44 PM UTC

adverbly wrote: post #411

nemo44x wrote: post #54

Is Canada better today then when he started as PM? I struggle to agree that it is. Housing is as bad as it has ever been and the immigration decisions seem to have been so careless that even people that would agree with immigration as a general principal are horrified by it by and large. The Canadian dollar has collapsed VS the USD. I guess it always ends bad if you stick around long enough.

Housing has gotten worse in many places. I hate to be repeat a meme but land value tax would fix this.

Only the provinces have the constitutional authority to impose a land value tax. (The cities get their property taxing rights from the province).

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by busterarm » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:45 PM UTC

sangnoir wrote: post #320

TriangleEdge wrote: post #262

I have migrated from Canada to the USA and my metrics for wealth, ease of mind, actually working while at work, outgoingness, etc instantly improved. I don't plan on ever going back. I feel chagrin at seeing Canada fail. I'm glad to see Justin Trudeau pressured out, I know there won't be meaningful change associated with the decision, but I have hope.

The USA is great when you're working age and are healthy. Outside the 18-65 age range, not so much. I hope Canada will not morph into USA-lite.

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by throw0101d » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:45 PM UTC

swat535 wrote: post #293

throw0101d wrote: post #196

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> […] ought to go through the laws and court system. The Emergencies Act is part of the laws of Canada: * https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/e-4.5/ * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergencies_Act And there were court orders: * https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60356461 * 2022 ONSC 1001: https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/2022/2022onsc1001/2022... ; https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/doc…

And the court of law later determined that this was an abuse of power and unlawful. The fact that there is an existing law that can be abused does not negate the argument that abusing it is unlawful.

> And the court of law later determined […]

And an Act-mandated commission said it was warranted:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Order_Emergency_Commiss...

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by glitchc » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:46 PM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #371

glitchc wrote: post #238

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The President is technically the commander-in-chief of the armed forces in the US. His opinion carries weight, fortunately or unfortunately.

I like the use of technically here leaving the hint that some might not go along with those orders even if the technical commander did give them. This is more chilling with Kelly's revelations of Trump's desire to have a specific type of general

That's because I believe Congress still needs to approve before the US can go to war.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by mardifoufs » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:46 PM UTC

idiotsecant wrote: post #399

mardifoufs wrote: post #331

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You think the US has not been doing exactly the same thing? What do you think the patriot act was? There are a million examples of this.

The Patriot act doesn't even come close to emergency powers. And the Patriot act would've been insanely worse if the US had the equivalent of our non withstanding clause.

So no, it hasn't been doing the same. Bush and his cronies sure would've wanted to go further though, I agree.

Also, another difference is that the Patriot act has been very controversial in the years since. Whereas the same hasn't been true in Canada for the usage of emergency power. And no one seems to care that we see more and more laws passed with the non-withstanding clause either.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by bryanlarsen » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:46 PM UTC

glitchc wrote: post #421

Tiktaalik wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not true in the slightest. Beyond the fact that the government went so far as to buy a pipeline to ensure added capacity for Alberta oil sands development, they've been enormously supportive of LNG development in BC, approving many projects and recently going so far as to give a $500M loan toward a project. https://www.ipolitics.ca/news/crown-corp-loans-500-million-f...

Please stop spreading lies and FUD. The pipeline buyout was too little too late after the government stalled and delayed permits over never-ending environmental assessments. All in all, the projected cost of capital flight exceeds $30 billion CAD (the article is from 2019): https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/the-30-billion-... The government has openly committed to ending all funding for fossil fuels in 202…

> the courts stalled and delayed permits over never-ending environmental assessments.

FTFY.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by greenavocado » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:46 PM UTC

FredPret wrote: post #128

busterarm wrote: post #99

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Spend 5 minutes in Toronto Union Station during commuter hours and you'll never describe Canadians as polite again.

That's the very worst point of view you'll ever get of Canadians. Of course people in a busy train station during rush hour aren't in the best mood. Travel the country up and down, big cities and small towns, and I guarantee you will conclude that Canadians are the best people around.

There are still Canadians in Canada?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by 99_00 » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:46 PM UTC

newfocogi wrote: post #9

I hadn't heard that this was likely to happen. Any Canadians here able to weigh on whether this was expected or is a normal procedure for your elected officials?

It’s expected and it is normal.

There is no term limit for PM or members of parliament.

They stay on until they lose the support of their party.

He lost the support of his party due to his extreme unpopularity and the impact it will have on the future election. As seen by polls and bye elections.

More often the leader loses party support after an election loss.

However in this case, a loss is so likely and expected to be so bad that his party would rather go to the polls with a different leader.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by DwnVoteHoneyPot » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:46 PM UTC

toasteros wrote: post #309

Dakizhu wrote: post #292

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What’s dreadful is the rising cost of living and lack of affordable housing, which he failed to address. Moreover he doubled immigration during a time when the average Canadian was struggling to keep up with rising expenses. I’m pro-immigration but not at an unsustainable rate. Housing construction was not keeping up. Trudeau pushed beyond the limits of pro-immigration policy. If it was just conservative propaganda,…

The immigration system we use today was set up by Harper. I'm an immigrant myself, having moved here on a Harper scheme, but under Trudeau. You are absolutely right that this wasn't addressed by the current government, but it is a policy of the previous one. The only reason he alone is being blamed is because he happened to be in charge for a very long time. It is likely to remain unaddressed satisfactorily under PP,…

You're blaming Harper? Trudeau has been in office for almost a decade.