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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by MattGaiser »

dylan604 wrote: post #66
mlekoszek wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally, governments in Canada are voted out in roughly 9-year intervals. Trudeau took office in 2015, so nothing unusual there. Moreover, Trudeau is exiting with approval ratings just a percent below his predecessor, Stephen Harper (22% vs. 23%, respectively). So, in a wider sense, this is not so unusual. But we're facing a trade war with the States and less-than-joking threats of annexation, so it's a bad moment…

> less-than-joking threats of annexation This is an interesting statement in that, sadly, the person making the threats is not joking yet to those that have not drunk the kool-aid it is an utter joke of a concept.

> those that have not drunk the kool-aid it is an utter joke of a concept

Problem is that they aren't the ones in power in the USA.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

busterarm wrote: post #51
csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

While I agree with patio11's assessment here, if you were to poll the average Ottawan about the trucker protest, you'll largely get back a response of "#&$! those people", soley because they were minorly-inconvenienced by them. Canadian politics (not uniquely here) is plagued with petty squabbles. The really meaningful political and social issues don't get any airtime.

> if you were to poll the average Ottawan about the trucker protest, you'll largely get back a response of "#&$! those people", soley because they were minorly-inconvenienced by them

This just illustrates why pure/Athenian democracy doesn’t work. Madness of the crowds and all that. Decide most issues by plebescite and you get an emotional outcome.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by Cumpiler69 »

jyscao wrote: post #64
nemo44x wrote: post #54

Is Canada better today then when he started as PM? I struggle to agree that it is. Housing is as bad as it has ever been and the immigration decisions seem to have been so careless that even people that would agree with immigration as a general principal are horrified by it by and large. The Canadian dollar has collapsed VS the USD. I guess it always ends bad if you stick around long enough.

> Is Canada better today then when he started as PM? As you've already concluded, the answer is absolutely not. The Canada I grew up with, and mind you my family are immigrants from the 90s and early 2000s ourselves, is completely shattered.

>The Canada I grew up with [...] is completely shattered.

What happened?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by mlekoszek »

redeux wrote: post #59
mlekoszek wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally, governments in Canada are voted out in roughly 9-year intervals. Trudeau took office in 2015, so nothing unusual there. Moreover, Trudeau is exiting with approval ratings just a percent below his predecessor, Stephen Harper (22% vs. 23%, respectively). So, in a wider sense, this is not so unusual. But we're facing a trade war with the States and less-than-joking threats of annexation, so it's a bad moment…

I haven’t been following the news recently. What is the talk of annexation? First I’ve heard of it.

There's a good summary here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_r...

At least one Canadian business magnate (Kevin O'Leary) has tried to position himself in on the deal and visited Trump at Mar-a-Lago to talk details.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/kevin-oleary-donald-t...

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by mass_and_energy »

csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

YSK that the people who had their accounts frozen weren't simply protesting in Ottawa; they were blocking international borders to our largest trading partner, effectively holding our economy hostage. This absolutely constitutes behavior that's a danger to our nation so it makes sense to freeze the accounts of the people doing it. To be clear, there were many attempts to settle this without freezing people's bank accounts, but when nothing else works sometimes you have to get out the big guns.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by dralley »

TaurenHunter wrote: post #42

For liberals to give up power in both Canada and US so hurriedly, there must something really bad brewing that they don't want to be blamed for.

Trudeau has been unpopular for years and hideously unpopular for the past couple of months, mostly as a result of the current state of things being bad (and as they've been in power for nearly 10 years, they already cop the blame for that), not hypothetical future bad things.

No need to get conspiratorial.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #69
csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

This seems a bit confused. Canada is not the US. Why would it matter when the judiciary is not a co-equal branch of government? i.e. When there is Parliamentary sovereignty/supremacy? An inferior authority can never legally overrule a superior authority by definition.

> Why would it matter when the judiciary is not a co-equal branch of government?

Then there is an external guarantor of the rights of the people against the government.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by throw10920 »

busterarm wrote: post #51
csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

While I agree with patio11's assessment here, if you were to poll the average Ottawan about the trucker protest, you'll largely get back a response of "#&$! those people", soley because they were minorly-inconvenienced by them. Canadian politics (not uniquely here) is plagued with petty squabbles. The really meaningful political and social issues don't get any airtime.

Is this where the meme about Canadians being very polite comes from - a tendency towards pettiness rather than really nasty political rifts? (I don't know anything about Canadian culture)

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by auxym »

redeux wrote: post #59
mlekoszek wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally, governments in Canada are voted out in roughly 9-year intervals. Trudeau took office in 2015, so nothing unusual there. Moreover, Trudeau is exiting with approval ratings just a percent below his predecessor, Stephen Harper (22% vs. 23%, respectively). So, in a wider sense, this is not so unusual. But we're facing a trade war with the States and less-than-joking threats of annexation, so it's a bad moment…

I haven’t been following the news recently. What is the talk of annexation? First I’ve heard of it.

Since December, Trump has repeatedly "joked" on social media about Canada being the 51st US state and Trudeau being a "Governor".

The whole thing is pretty stupid, but Trump is so chaotic that chances of bad things happening are feeling somewhat above zero.

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