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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by fidotron » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 4:36 PM UTC

newfocogi wrote: post #9

I hadn't heard that this was likely to happen. Any Canadians here able to weigh on whether this was expected or is a normal procedure for your elected officials?

Looking at Canadian polls might indicate some things: https://338canada.com/districts.htm

Particularly look at the projected Liberal seat count.

This gov was propped up by a supply agreement with the NDP in order to maintain parlimentary confidence. The NDP leader becomes eligible for a generous pension scheme if he stays an MP to some point in February. As such the timing for all this is no coincidence, and people have been expecting this for a while, but it is shocking just how shamelessly self serving it all is.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by yieldcrv » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 4:36 PM UTC

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by dblohm7 » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 4:37 PM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #47

thesh4d0w wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have two left parties that votes are split across, and a single right party. This means the conservative party often ends up getting more power since they're "first past the post" even though the majority of the population may not agree with them.

So? "The rules need to be changed because the wrong people keep winning" sounds very suspicious to me. If the situation is as you describe, what really needs to change is that the two left parties need to merge, or one of them needs to become such a marginal player that it doesn't matter. If the leaders of those parties can't or won't do that, well, then you get the situation that you have.

> So? "The rules need to be changed because the wrong people keep winning" sounds very suspicious to me.

That's not what they're saying. In Canada, we can easily end up with parliamentary majorities for parties that have less than 50% of the popular vote. Sometimes substantially less.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by jyscao » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 4:37 PM UTC

nemo44x wrote: post #54

Is Canada better today then when he started as PM? I struggle to agree that it is. Housing is as bad as it has ever been and the immigration decisions seem to have been so careless that even people that would agree with immigration as a general principal are horrified by it by and large. The Canadian dollar has collapsed VS the USD. I guess it always ends bad if you stick around long enough.

> Is Canada better today then when he started as PM?

As you've already concluded, the answer is absolutely not. The Canada I grew up with, and mind you my family are immigrants from the 90s and early 2000s ourselves, is completely shattered.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by AnimalMuppet » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 4:38 PM UTC

gspencley wrote: post #38

newfocogi wrote: post #9

I hadn't heard that this was likely to happen. Any Canadians here able to weigh on whether this was expected or is a normal procedure for your elected officials?

Canadian here. It's certainly not normal. News broke yesterday that this was coming. The opposition kept tabling no confidence votes and trying to get an early election called... and Trudeau's approval rating is so low that it might even be the lowest of any Prime Minister in history (though I don't know so if someone does by all means fact check that). However, our upcoming election is this year. It certainly does n…

What does "prorogued" do here? Does it prevent a no-confidence vote? And, what would a no-confidence vote do?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by dylan604 » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 4:38 PM UTC

mlekoszek wrote: post #23

newfocogi wrote: post #9

I hadn't heard that this was likely to happen. Any Canadians here able to weigh on whether this was expected or is a normal procedure for your elected officials?

Generally, governments in Canada are voted out in roughly 9-year intervals. Trudeau took office in 2015, so nothing unusual there. Moreover, Trudeau is exiting with approval ratings just a percent below his predecessor, Stephen Harper (22% vs. 23%, respectively). So, in a wider sense, this is not so unusual. But we're facing a trade war with the States and less-than-joking threats of annexation, so it's a bad moment…

> less-than-joking threats of annexation

This is an interesting statement in that, sadly, the person making the threats is not joking yet to those that have not drunk the kool-aid it is an utter joke of a concept.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by collin128 » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 4:39 PM UTC

karaterobot wrote: post #40

I'm having trouble learning anything from this stream of disconnected, time-sorted tweetlike objects. I'm posting this on the off chance that a better article exists, and someone can point me to it. I assume it's too early for that though.

I find CTV to be pretty good and centered: https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/justin-trudeau-stepping-down...

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by fidotron » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 4:39 PM UTC

jyscao wrote: post #3

Should've done it weeks ago. Utterly shameless.

The one upside here is we should get to see the foreign interference report before any new election, but otherwise agreed.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by MichaelZuo » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 4:40 PM UTC

csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

This seems a bit confused.

Canada is not the US. Why would it matter when the judiciary is not a co-equal branch of government?

i.e. When there is Parliamentary sovereignty/supremacy?

An inferior authority can never legally overrule a superior authority by definition.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by dylan604 » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 4:40 PM UTC

redeux wrote: post #59

mlekoszek wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally, governments in Canada are voted out in roughly 9-year intervals. Trudeau took office in 2015, so nothing unusual there. Moreover, Trudeau is exiting with approval ratings just a percent below his predecessor, Stephen Harper (22% vs. 23%, respectively). So, in a wider sense, this is not so unusual. But we're facing a trade war with the States and less-than-joking threats of annexation, so it's a bad moment…

I haven’t been following the news recently. What is the talk of annexation? First I’ve heard of it.

Trump

I feel like a single word should explain it, but I know HN abhors single word responses. Trump has threatened tariffs and has mentioned annexing Canada. He's also mentioned buying Greenland, trading Puerto Rico for Greenland, and a bunch of other notions.