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My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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Sometimes character assassination is coordinated. I personally only slightly increase the probability of something being true when multiple accusers come forward. I still want to see proof. What if a bunch of your ex-girlfriends or ex-boyfriends got together and decided to ruin your life with accusations?

"What if a bunch of your ex-girlfriends or ex-boyfriends got together and decided to ruin your life with accusations?" This just pretty much does not happen without reason, and I think it is safe to say that if it did, you are probably a terrible person.

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Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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There is a lot about the sexual events in this post that, to me, highlights something I feel is important which is: we parents need to get better had having conversations with our children around sex. This girl was feeling uncomfortable and crying but at the same time "didn't think those behaviors were problematic". I can't help but wonder if her parents never sat her down and discussed situations like this and, I ge…

> we parents need to get better had having conversations with our children around sex.

Exactly. The conclusion is simple, yet challenging to implement: don't have sex outside of marriage. For girls and women: don't have casual relationships with men. Problem solved.

Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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Sometimes character assassination is coordinated. I personally only slightly increase the probability of something being true when multiple accusers come forward. I still want to see proof. What if a bunch of your ex-girlfriends or ex-boyfriends got together and decided to ruin your life with accusations?

Seriously? How often does this happen? Unless you are a terrible person, I doubt anyone would try to ruin someone's life like this. This lady seems to have her head screwed on. Her post doesn't seem to me like she's trying to cause a witch hunt and it seems like she's sharing her story in a logical and sensible manner. I'll gladly read the post from another woman defending John Pretty, but I doubt that's going to be…

There are unfortunately plenty of terrible people out there.

Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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Since the pattern is so similar, I now recognize this as a form of harmful #metoo activism. - Attack entire community, not individuals - Court of Public Social Justice - The charges amount to unwanted advances being made during a social interaction where that would be acceptable -- not sexual harassment, nor illegal behavior. Compare https://medium.com/@kristianlum/statistics-we-have-a-problem... Make the problem abo…

>advance towards you, instead of feeling flattered and politely declining Do you know what "advance" means? It's old-timey English for aggression as in "The enemy advanced on the capital". No that's not how it's used to today but it still typically has very negative connotations. So I think it's rich irony that due to your own (probable) inarticulateness and (probable) bias you think something that could experienced…

> Let your fountain be blessed, and rejoice in the wife of your youth, a lovely deer, a graceful doe. Let her breasts fill you at all times with delight; be intoxicated always in her love.

Sex has always had aggressive and domination elements. Some women even request you slap them during.

Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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> I maintained friendship with him for a few months after May, because I was convinced that it was all consensual and I didn’t want to “make a big scene” like he accused me of.

So for months, the victim herself was convinced it was consensual, but I, the reader, in the space of a few paragraphs, am supposed be convinced that it wasn't?

If I imagine this sentence prefixed with "Your Honor", I can see it not going very well for the plaintiff.

Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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post #438

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Sometimes character assassination is coordinated. I personally only slightly increase the probability of something being true when multiple accusers come forward. I still want to see proof. What if a bunch of your ex-girlfriends or ex-boyfriends got together and decided to ruin your life with accusations?

Is this theoretical or do you have an example of a case where a woman publicly made detailed accusations which turned out to be false? Edit: This is an honest question by the way. Thanks to those who did provide some examples.

UVA Rape Scandal - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rape_on_Campus

"Mean Girls" (five high school girls make up sexual assault allegations that they later admit were "because we didn't like him", school then did nothing to punish the girls): https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/editorials/2018/10/15/A...

Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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similar stories are emerging: - https://killnicole.github.io/statement/ (edit i see she has added it to the article itself) - https://twitter.com/brianclapper/status/1387115214064193537?... - https://twitter.com/adelbertchang/status/1387090351626723329... there seems to be some coordination here, as this came out pretty much at the same time. https://typelevel.org/blog/2021/04/27/community-safety.html Yifan also link…

Sometimes character assassination is coordinated. I personally only slightly increase the probability of something being true when multiple accusers come forward. I still want to see proof. What if a bunch of your ex-girlfriends or ex-boyfriends got together and decided to ruin your life with accusations?

I mean, I've been a giant asshole to a couple ex-partners (read: I cheated), and they never got together to coordinate an attack "to ruin my life."

I could maybe, maybe believe a well-known political figure might be the target of that kind of coordinated attack. But basically a thousandth of a percent of the population has even heard of Jon Pretty. What benefit exists for the group of accusers? An extra spot for a presentation at a Scala conference?

Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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> This lady seems to have her head screwed on. I don't agree. She did not set her boundaries. She did not effectively communicate boundaries. She did not enforce boundaries. When she doesn't get the outcome she wants, she turns to blame rather than introspection.

Implicit in your post is the idea “Power is equal in every relationship” which is obviously false. This is clear cut victim blaming.

Unfortunately without proof, we are often unable to determine who the victim is. It’s perfectly possible either way.

Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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post #292

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Can you explain the reasoning a bit more? JPKab 's argument is that the estimated costs were $100k+. In my uneducated eyes, the estimated cost of reporting a crime is 30 minutes trip to the police station and filling some report / talking to someone, maybe 2 hours of your time? Essentially trivial.

Ok, my sister was raped by her boss, was found in her appartment three days later my father, who immediately called a lawyer (female, specialized in criminal law). She told my sister that since they were only two in the kitchen with no surveillance camera, she couldn't sue but only report (its called "main courante" in my country) and "hope" that another girl is raped before 2039 and report it. The policeman concurre…

You're missing the point.

JPKab's point was that pursuing justice would be very costly to his brother (assuming that he didn't win). I can't see how pursuing justice is costly to your sister (my condolences!). There is a low chance of success in both of those pursuits.

Clearly the original crime is costly in both cases, much more so in the case of your sister!

Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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post #230

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Sweden and Uk spent tens of millions dealing with extradition case for just getting a hearing over an accusation with similar amount of evidence. Technically the legal system could do the same in her case.

We are not in the 80’s anymore. At least in the western world the police is far more prepared to help victims than in the past. Usually the victim is supported by a female investigator, because differently from the past, at least in bigger cities a sizable portion of the police force are women. We are creating this culture of woman fearing getting help from police by pretending things didn’t change during the last 40…

Counterpoint: a friend of mine was violently raped a decade ago, and I went with her to the hospital the next morning to get an exam and a rape kit to make a complaint. The police both refused to process the rape kit, and threatened to press charges against her for making a false complaint for 'regretting rough sex'. And that was with full on torn genitals, with an exam, violent rape, in a major metropolitan area in the US.

We haven't come as far as you're making it out to be.

I actually regret convincing her to go to the hospital and the police as all it did was increase the amount of trauma she experienced.

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