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Some weeks ago, I listened to a Bloomberg interview with Altman where he was joined by someone from OpenAI who does the programming. There was obvious disagreement between the two, and the interviewer actually made a joke about it. Perhaps Altman was destined to become the next SBF. Too much misrepresentation to the public, telling people what they want to hear..

Can you please try to recall and link to the interview? I'd love to see it.

@justin66 is correct. It was WSJ Tech Live, not Bloomberg. What I was referring to happens at 7:32 in the video.

Altman answers questions like he is a ChatGPT. Freedom to bullshit.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Employers can make provisions that you’re not allowed to moonlight in other positions. That’s distinct from non-competes, which are for your ability to change jobs entirely. The parent’s point is that tech CEOs are often permitted to work at multiple companies and engage in self-dealing in a way that’s prohibited for almost everyone else, including CEOs in other industries.

> Employers can make provisions that you’re not allowed to moonlight in other positions. Not in California. Only company executives can be bound by such agreements. Direct competition is of course prohibited.

Is a CEO a company executive?

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Can you please try to recall and link to the interview? I'd love to see it.

@justin66 is correct. It was WSJ Tech Live, not Bloomberg. What I was referring to happens at 7:32 in the video. Altman answers questions like he is a ChatGPT. Freedom to bullshit.

I watched that clipped and you're wrong it's a completely normal interaction. Murati says "we're always working on the next thing" and Altman jokes "haha that's such a diplomatic answer" and the interviewer is like "who paired these two?". It's just standard humor.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Hmmm, that's the same reputation er... western science has as well.

It's really not.

It really is. Academia prioritizes quantity over quality. Western less so than Chinese, but nevertheless it's a problem in academia. Peter Higgs (the guy who predicted Higgs Boson) recently talked about it: "Peter Higgs: I wouldn't be productive enough for today's academic system" https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/06/peter-higgs-...

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Sutskever: "You can call it (a coup), and I can understand why you chose this word, but I disagree with this. This was the board doing its duty to the mission of the nonprofit, which is to make sure that OpenAI builds AGI that benefits all of humanity." Scoop: theinformation.com https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1725707548106580255

Some insider details that seem to agree with this: https://www.reddit.com/user/Anxious_Bandicoot126/

Is that someone RP'ing as an OpenAI insider? There is no evidence to suggest they're a reliable source. What am I missing?

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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AGI is existential. That's the whole point, I think. If they can get to AGI, then building an LLM app store is such a distraction along the path that any reasonable person would look back and laugh at how cute an idea it was, despite how big or profitable it feels today.

Sure, but you need money for compute to get to AGI, so selling stuff is a well accepted way of getting money.

I find this line of thinking to be extremely indicative of the problem, I'd bet, OpenAI was trying to get rid of with Sam.

Here's something to ponder on: The human brain is about the size of an A100, and consumes: 12 watts of power, on average. Its capable of general intelligence and conscious thought.

One problem that companies have is: they're momentum based. Once they realize something is working, and generating profit, they become increasingly calcified toward trying fundamentally new and different things. The best case scenario for a company is to calcify at a local maxima. A few companies try to structure themselves toward avoiding this, like Google; and it turns out, they just lose the ability to execute on anything. Some will stay small, remain nimble, and accomplish little of note. The rest die. That's the destiny for every profit-focused company.

Here's three things I expect to be true: AGI/ASI won't be achieved with LLMs. A sufficiently powerful LLM may be a component of a larger AGI/ASI system, but GPT-4 is already pretty dang sufficiently powerful. And: OpenAI was becoming an extremely effective and successful B2B SaaS Big Tech LLM company. Outing Sam is a gambit; the company could implode, and with no one left AGI/ASI probably won't happen at OpenAI. But the alternative, it seems from the outside, had a higher probability of failure; because the company would become so successful and good at making LLMs that the non-profit's mission is put to the side.

Ilya's superalignment efforts were given 20% of OpenAI's compute capacity. If the foundation's goal is to produce safe AGI; and ideally, you want progress on safety before something unsafe is made; it seems to me that 51% is the totally symbolic but meaningful minimum he should be working with. That's just one example.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Some weeks ago, I listened to a Bloomberg interview with Altman where he was joined by someone from OpenAI who does the programming. There was obvious disagreement between the two, and the interviewer actually made a joke about it. Perhaps Altman was destined to become the next SBF. Too much misrepresentation to the public, telling people what they want to hear..

what is the disagreement

Altman reacts the how Murati answers a question, implicitly suggesting he might have answered it differently. He could have just kept quiet. Whether this is significant is left as a question for the observer, however, in addition to me, the interviewer noticed it and felt the need to comment.

Personally, in this interview I sensed a disconnect between Altman and Murati, possibly others working at OpenAI. Usually Altman is by himself in these interviews; there's no one else from OpenAI. It led me to suspect Altman was telling interviewers what they wanted to hear.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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No comment history except on this issue... That's either 100% fishy or 100% insider. Either BS or person is insider, no in-between.

Is this sarcasm? The burden is on the person with the supposed claim to show they are trustworthy and reputable. What you're saying is basically "coin shows heads 50% of the time, therefore it's 50% chance they're an insider".

That's not how whistleblower to the public works.

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Is it a winning move though? The biggest loser in this seems to be the company that was bankrolling their endeavor, Microsoft.

They don't need Microsoft anymore, they have a queue of potential funders.

You think those funders will stick with their insistence on the direction of not creating products and making money.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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The funny thing is that so far OpenAI has made zero demonstrable progress toward building a true AGI. ChatGPT is an extraordinary technical accomplishment and useful for many things, but there is no evidence that scaling up that approach will get to AGI. At least a few more major breakthroughs will probably be needed.

AGI is about definitions. By many definitions, it’s already here. Hence MSR’s “sparks of AGI” paper and Eric Schmidt’s article in Noema. But by the definition “as good or better than humans at all things”, it fails.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.02462

On operationalizing definitions of AGI

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