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Commercialization is innovation. Without it they will end up with a cute toy and a bankrupt company.

Eventually, sure. Right now, today, they have a blank check for compute and all the money they could ask for. It's not the time to try to monetize if AGI is the mission. Complete distraction

It’s a $10B check with strings attached.

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Chinese papers are (with much higher probability) citing Chinese sources. It's a self-empowering cycle, which doesn't say anything about the quality.

This just in: Researchers are vastly more likely to read, and therefore cite, papers in languages that they understand fluently.

Virtually all of this work is published in English though, even from the Chinese researchers.

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That’s the funny thing isn’t it? Hinton, Bengio, and Sutskever, chief scientist of the tech behind OpenAI, all have strong opinions one way, but HN armchair experts handwave it away as fear mongering. Reminds me of climate change deniers. People just viscerally hate staring down upcoming disasters.

Yann LeCunn is a strong counter to the doomerism as one example. Jeremy Howard is another example. There are plenty of high profile, and distinguished researchers who don't buy into that line of thinking. None of them are eschewing safety taking into account the realities of how the technology can be used, but they aren't running the AI will kill us all line up the flagpole.

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Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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What's always incredible to me is how much "outside activity" is tolerated of tech CEOs. I get it, they are at the top, they make the rules, but wow. Even a lowly new grad engineer has to sign a lot of stuff when they take a job that forces essentially exclusivity to your work there. I cannot dabble in outside businesses within the same industry or adjacent industries. CEOs argue that their job is tough and many hour…

It's critical to know: where are you located? lowly new grad engineers, as well as senior architects, can't be covered in non-competes in California, as long as it's done on non-company hardewre. it's a large part of why California is so big for tech, and subject of a current front page discussion. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38316870

Employers can make provisions that you’re not allowed to moonlight in other positions. That’s distinct from non-competes, which are for your ability to change jobs entirely. The parent’s point is that tech CEOs are often permitted to work at multiple companies and engage in self-dealing in a way that’s prohibited for almost everyone else, including CEOs in other industries.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Again, I'm not sure why you and the other person are just out for blood and keep trying to make it personal, but you can clearly feed it into NLP/ChatGPT and co and even the machines will tell you the actual wordings are aggressive.

I'll bite. I even led the witness on this one by outright asking if it's aggressive. > "a deliberative review process by the board, which concluded that he was not consistently candid in his communications with the board, hindering its ability to exercise its responsibilities." > The provided text is not explicitly aggressive; however, it conveys a critical tone regarding the individual's communication, emphasizing h…

Context matters. It's hyper aggressive by the standards of similar communications (press releases announcing management shakeups) by similar entities (boards of directors).

Obviously it's not aggressive by the standards of everyday political drama or Internet forum arguments.

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NVIDIA don't take payment in research papers, unfortunately.

Maybe. But, Microsoft definitely does. Technology and IP was a large piece of their compensation in the 49% acquisition.

To some extent, yes. They're mostly investing in it to use it's products in their own stuff, so they need models that are useful in the corporate world, not necessarily those models imbued with a deep and abiding love for humanity.

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It was actually a great move. Unusual, but it goes with the mission and nonprofit idea. I think it was designed to draw attention and stir controversy on purpose.

Is it a winning move though? The biggest loser in this seems to be the company that was bankrolling their endeavor, Microsoft.

They don't need Microsoft anymore, they have a queue of potential funders.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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It's critical to know: where are you located? lowly new grad engineers, as well as senior architects, can't be covered in non-competes in California, as long as it's done on non-company hardewre. it's a large part of why California is so big for tech, and subject of a current front page discussion. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38316870

Employers can make provisions that you’re not allowed to moonlight in other positions. That’s distinct from non-competes, which are for your ability to change jobs entirely. The parent’s point is that tech CEOs are often permitted to work at multiple companies and engage in self-dealing in a way that’s prohibited for almost everyone else, including CEOs in other industries.

I, for example, could not start up my own data provider on the side and then as a decision maker at a fintech company, encourage us to become licensed customers. Or invest/advise a database startup and then become a customer. Etc.

Meanwhile you have CEOs front running their own company or treating staff from different companies as interchangeable. It's funny governors have been thrown in prison for example taking free renovations on their home in exchange for contract work with the state.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Judging from this interview, I wouldn't hold my breath hoping for more openness. Ilya seems to be against open sourcing models on the grounds that they may be too powerful. Good thing no one asked him to invent a wheel, after all people could travel too fast for their own safety.

Maybe. We’re also not open sourcing DNA from viruses, how to build nuclear weapons or 3D printing weapons. I think there is an argument to be made that not every powerful LLM should be open source. But yes- maybe we’re worried about nothing. On the other hand, these tools can easily spread misinformation, increase animosity, etc, Even in todays world. I come from the medical field, and we make risk-analyses there to…

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Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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It's critical to know: where are you located? lowly new grad engineers, as well as senior architects, can't be covered in non-competes in California, as long as it's done on non-company hardewre. it's a large part of why California is so big for tech, and subject of a current front page discussion. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38316870

Employers can make provisions that you’re not allowed to moonlight in other positions. That’s distinct from non-competes, which are for your ability to change jobs entirely. The parent’s point is that tech CEOs are often permitted to work at multiple companies and engage in self-dealing in a way that’s prohibited for almost everyone else, including CEOs in other industries.

> Employers can make provisions that you’re not allowed to moonlight in other positions.

Not in California. Only company executives can be bound by such agreements. Direct competition is of course prohibited.

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