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The thing is custom gpts are not useful. They are repackaged system prompts meant for non techy people. They were a distraction from the mission of OpenAI (a non profit). The commercial arm is a capped profit company anyway

NVIDIA don't take payment in research papers, unfortunately.

Maybe. But, Microsoft definitely does. Technology and IP was a large piece of their compensation in the 49% acquisition.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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post #355

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The thing is custom gpts are not useful. They are repackaged system prompts meant for non techy people. They were a distraction from the mission of OpenAI (a non profit). The commercial arm is a capped profit company anyway

NVIDIA don't take payment in research papers, unfortunately.

Nobody's asking for a loan repayment

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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It is quite gauche for a company to burn bridges with their upper management. This bodes poorly for ever hoping to attract executives in the future. Even Bobby Kotick got a more graceful farewell from Activision Blizzard, where they tried to clear his name. It is only prudent business. Certainly, this is very immature. It wouldn't be out of context in HBO's Succession. Whether what happened is right or just in some s…

People get fired all the time: suddenly, too. If I got fired by my company tomorrow, they wouldn't treat me with kid gloves, they'd just end my livelihood like it was nothing. I'd probably find out when I couldn't log in. Why should "upper management" get a graceful farewell? We don't have royalty in the USA. One person is not inherently better than another.

Because no one cares if you get fired but people really care if a CEO gets fired. The scope of a CEO's responsibilities are near-global across the company, firing them is a serious action. Your scope as an engineer is, typically, extremely small by comparison.

This isn't about being better at all.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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> Ousting sama and gdb over something as petty as a simple strategy disagreement A fundamental inability to align on what, on a fundamental level, the mission set out in the charter of a 501(c)(3) charity means in real world terms is not "a simple strategy disagreement"; moreover, the existence of a factional dispute over that doesn't mean that there weren't serious specific conduct that occurred in the context of th…

The board questioned his “candid”-ness. This was not a difference of opinion on strategy.

Candidness is a behavior question, the stories about what has been summarized as a difference of strategy (which, IMO, underestimates the fundamental difference that is described) seem to be providing a context for what ia described as long-running internal tension that ultimately led to the firing, not whatever behavior may have been the proximate cause.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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So they are trying to burn him with the worst possible accusation for a Ceo to try to lessen the inevitable fundraising he’s going to win?

> So they are trying to burn him with the worst possible accusation for a Ceo to try to lessen the inevitable fundraising he’s going to win? If he was really doing it behind the boards back, the accusation is entirely accurate even if his motivations was an expectations of losing the internal factional struggle.

Are you even innovating if you aren't defecting?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Semiconductor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traitorous_eight

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Chinese papers are (with much higher probability) citing Chinese sources. It's a self-empowering cycle, which doesn't say anything about the quality.

Yes, and American papers are much more likely to cite American papers. Science is more international than the vast majority of professions, but there are absolutely still state cultures that are just more likely to have read research in their language, published by someone who's a friend or a friend of a friend, or have national institutions which concentrate scientific talent that make scientists be colleagues. Nowh…

Ethnocentrism is ethnocentric.

It's like how historical American medical data collected by universities has been misapplied to pharmaceutical and medical practice because of demographic bias. Research participants largely matched the demographics of the university: healthy white males.

Or more broadly, whenever you see a "last name" requirement on a form, you know it's software made by people who think it's normal for people to have "last names", and that everyone should know what that means.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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N9 was a work of art. Fuck Elop.

In general software seems to be really hard for hardware companies. This was the main reason for the downfall IMO. The things that make you succeed in hardware do not suffice, and are partly wrong in software. The N9 etc demonstrated there was enough talent for a plausible pivot. Was it business wise obvious this would have been the only and right choice?

Agree: Japanese and German manufacturing and materials know how? Lengendary. Software? Hmmmm.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Some insider details that seem to agree with this: https://www.reddit.com/user/Anxious_Bandicoot126/

Who is u/Anxious_Bandicoot126? Is there any reason to think this is actually a person at OpenAI and not some random idiot on the internet? They have no comment history except on this issue. Seems like BS.

No comment history except on this issue...

That's either 100% fishy or 100% insider.

Either BS or person is insider, no in-between.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Or was it that he's been seen trying to raise money for an AI chip startup to compete with Nvidia or was courting SoftBank for a multibillion-dollar investment in a new company to make AI-oriented hardware with Jony Ive? A lot of his current external activities could worry the board - and if he wasn't candid about future plans I can see why they might sack him.

What's always incredible to me is how much "outside activity" is tolerated of tech CEOs. I get it, they are at the top, they make the rules, but wow. Even a lowly new grad engineer has to sign a lot of stuff when they take a job that forces essentially exclusivity to your work there. I cannot dabble in outside businesses within the same industry or adjacent industries. CEOs argue that their job is tough and many hour…

It's critical to know: where are you located? lowly new grad engineers, as well as senior architects, can't be covered in non-competes in California, as long as it's done on non-company hardewre. it's a large part of why California is so big for tech, and subject of a current front page discussion.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38316870

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Pushing too hard and too fast does not seem consistent with lying to the board.

I can see it though. If you want to move faster than the board and you’re actually doing so, I can imagine there are some things that would inevitably end up as “lying to the board” Because if you don’t, nothing gets done. Since the board would shut it down if they knew
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