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Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by rirarobo »

cuuupid wrote: post #153
Bjorkbat wrote: post #100

I have a hard time believing this simply since it seems so ill-conceived. Sure, maybe Sam Altman was being irresponsible and taking risks, but they had an insanely good thing going for them. I'm not saying Sam Altman was responsible for the good times they were having, but you're probably going to bring them to an end by abruptly firing one of the most prominent members of the group, seeing where individual loyalties…

Tbh this reads a lot like Ilya thinking he’s Tony Stark and his (still impressive) language model is somehow the same as an iron man suit. Which is arrogance to the point of ignorance, reality isn’t that romantic. I can only hope this doesn’t turn into OpenAI trying to gatekeep multimodal models or conversely everyone else leaving them in the dust.

It's possible this will have the opposite effect.

Sam was the VC guy pushing gatekeeping of models and building closed products and revenue streams. Ilya is the AI researcher who believes strongly in the nonprofit mission and open source.

Perhaps, if OpenAI can survive those, then they will actually be more open in the future.

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Post by ribosometronome »

Bjorkbat wrote: post #100

I have a hard time believing this simply since it seems so ill-conceived. Sure, maybe Sam Altman was being irresponsible and taking risks, but they had an insanely good thing going for them. I'm not saying Sam Altman was responsible for the good times they were having, but you're probably going to bring them to an end by abruptly firing one of the most prominent members of the group, seeing where individual loyalties…

>I mean, none of this would be possible without insane amounts of capital and world class talent, and they probably just made it a lot harder to acquire both.

By seemingly siding with staff over the CEO's desire go way too fast and break a lot of things? I'd think that world class talent hearing they might be able to go home at night because the CEO isn't intent on having Cybernet deployed tomorrow but next week instead is more appealing than not.

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Post by bushbaba »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #203
Bjorkbat wrote: post #100

I have a hard time believing this simply since it seems so ill-conceived. Sure, maybe Sam Altman was being irresponsible and taking risks, but they had an insanely good thing going for them. I'm not saying Sam Altman was responsible for the good times they were having, but you're probably going to bring them to an end by abruptly firing one of the most prominent members of the group, seeing where individual loyalties…

> and pissing off Microsoft by tanking their stock price When did Microsoft’s stock price tank? https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/MSFT/

See after hours. Looks like down ~1.5%

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Post by bushbaba »

dinobones wrote: post #179
andrewstuart wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most likely outcome at this stage IMO is Sam will start a new thing with a huge equity stake and just do it again.

Sam is not an engineer. He can't do it without Ilya or Ilya-lite. And there are like 4 of those in the world.

And Ilya can't do anything without lots of funding, which is given on premise of future profits.

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throwaxcvxvzxcv wrote: post #115

These Kara Swisher's tweets aligns extremely closely with the following pseudonymous Reddit user Anxious_Bandicoot126 from 4 hours ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/17xoact/comment/k9p... > I feel compelled as someone close to the situation to share additional context about Sam and company. > Engineers raised concerns about rushing tech to market without adequate safety reviews in the race to capitalize o…

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Post by nradov »

convexstrictly wrote: post #13

Sutskever: "You can call it (a coup), and I can understand why you chose this word, but I disagree with this. This was the board doing its duty to the mission of the nonprofit, which is to make sure that OpenAI builds AGI that benefits all of humanity." Scoop: theinformation.com https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1725707548106580255

The funny thing is that so far OpenAI has made zero demonstrable progress toward building a true AGI. ChatGPT is an extraordinary technical accomplishment and useful for many things, but there is no evidence that scaling up that approach will get to AGI. At least a few more major breakthroughs will probably be needed.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by brigadier132 »

chpatrick wrote: post #182
brigadier132 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you believe "real ml experience" qualifies someone to speculate about the impact of what is currently science fiction technology on society?

It's rapidly turning into science fact, unless you've been living under a rock the last year.

Science fiction or not, saying this person's opinion matters more because they have a better understanding of how it works is like saying automotive engineers should be considered experts on all social policy regarding automobiles.

Also it's not "rapidly turning into fact". There are still massive unsolved problems with AGI.

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