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Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by adastra22 »

015a wrote: post #293
mvkel wrote: post #158

Sam wanted to commercialize stuff to shoot for revenue. Ilya wants to keep pushing for gpt 4.5 and beyond, to hell with the revenue. Ilya won the argument, Sam out. Hell yeah. It's not safetyism vs accelerationism. It's commercialization vs innovation.

OpenAI's mission statement is "Creating safe AGI that benefits all of humanity". How does an LLM App Store advance OpenAI toward this goal? Like, even in floaty general terms? You can make an argument that ChatGPT does (build in public, prepare the world for what's coming, gather training data, etc). You can... maybe... make an argument that their API does... but I think that's a lot harder. The App Store product, th…

By letting humanity use the thing you made, customized to their own situation, so it can benefit them?

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Post by fsociety »

mvkel wrote: post #238
fsckboy wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

authentication means finding a 2nd source. This reddit comment could be primary, armed with that it's not hard for Kara to find somebody inside to say "yes, accurate." That is real journalism.

Not according to Kara Swisher it isn't. https://x.com/maggienyt/status/1578074773174771712?s=46&t=k_... I know it's convenient to dUnK on journalism these days but this is Kara Fucking Swisher. Her entire reputation is on the line if she gets these little things wrong. And she has a hell of a reputation

She is the reputation.

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Post by fsociety »

throwawayapples wrote: post #66
crazygringo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"This twitter account" is Kara Swisher, probably the most well-known tech reporter working right now. She has known essentially everyone in the tech world for decades at this point. Her sources are not only going to be legit, but she probably has more of them than literally anyone else in the tech world, so she can accurately corroborate information or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_Swisher

Kara Swisher gets in big public fights with CEOs and wears dark sunglasses in order to be cool. In other words, she's definitely not immune to bias and might easily want to shape the story to her own ends or to favor her own friends. We're not really talking about facts here.. it's really just speculation and hearsay, so who can say if she's just talking?

She also admits her bias and is staking her reputation as a journalist on that tweet - versus us commenting behind a pseudonym. It’s the closest to a fact we will have at the moment.

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Post by dragonwriter »

SilverSlash wrote: post #87

My biggest question is: If Sam Altman starts a new company by next month, and him and Greg Brockman know all details of how GPT4/5 works, then what what will this mean for OpenAI's dominance and lead?

> If Sam Altman starts a new company by next month, and him and Greg Brockman know all details of how GPT4/5 works, then what what will this mean for OpenAI's dominance and lead?

Well, if two top level officers dismissed from top posts at OpenAI go and take OpenAI's confidential internal product information and use it to try and start a new, directly competing, company, it means that OpenAI's lawyers are going to be busy, and the appropriate US Attorney's office might not be too far behind.

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Post by dwd »

HlessClaudesman wrote: post #366

Here's my preferred theory, it's a tale as old as time. Sam Altman, like Icarus, flew too close to Microsoft's giant pot of money. He pivoted the company away from it's founding mission, unleashing the very djinn they originally set out to harness. Turns out there were people at OpenAI who really believed in the original vision.

Nicely put.

The original vision is pretty clear, and a compelling reason to not screw around and get sidetracked, even if that has massive commercialisation upside.

Thankfully M$ didn't have control of the board.

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Post by mi3law »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #337

Some weeks ago, I listened to a Bloomberg interview with Altman where he was joined by someone from OpenAI who does the programming. There was obvious disagreement between the two, and the interviewer actually made a joke about it. Perhaps Altman was destined to become the next SBF. Too much misrepresentation to the public, telling people what they want to hear..

Can you please try to recall and link to the interview? I'd love to see it.

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Post by dragonwriter »

denverllc wrote: post #3

Pushing too hard and too fast does not seem consistent with lying to the board.

> Pushing too hard and too fast does not seem consistent with lying to the board.

They are different things, but they are consistent in that they are not mutually contradictory and, quite the opposite, are very easy to see going together.

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Post by hindsightbias »

junofan wrote: post #34
convexstrictly wrote: post #13

Sutskever: "You can call it (a coup), and I can understand why you chose this word, but I disagree with this. This was the board doing its duty to the mission of the nonprofit, which is to make sure that OpenAI builds AGI that benefits all of humanity." Scoop: theinformation.com https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1725707548106580255

Very unprofessional way to approach this disagreement.

Not if the AGI was making the decision. A bit demanding to think the Professionalism LLM module isn't a bit hallucinatory in this age. Give it a few more years.

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Post by seattle_spring »

chipgap98 wrote: post #120
Mistletoe wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t you think it’s more likely you don’t know the whole story yet?

It has basically been confirmed https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1725707548106580255

Did you mean to link to a different tweet? I don’t see how what you linked “basically confirms” literally anything related to this. Can you spell it out for those of us that aren’t reading literally every rumor and gossip that’s popped up in the last 12 hours?
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