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Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by Cyph0n » Wed, Mar 19, 2025, 12:45 PM UTC

nurettin wrote: post #331

rafram wrote: post #179

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I may be misunderstanding what you’re saying, but it sounds like you’re assuming that women only continue wearing hijab because their families force them to. That’s certainly not the case.

It is extremely rare to meet a hijab girl in Turkey whose family never told her to wear one. For a woman, telling her to wear a hijab as she grows up is pretty much enforcement.

“Pretty much” is doing a lot of work here. So are you saying that parents should never teach their children about their own religious beliefs? Or is your problem with the hijab specifically?

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by conception » Wed, Mar 19, 2025, 12:45 PM UTC

kelnos wrote: post #288

conception wrote: post #232

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I assume they’ll say he was robbed in 2020 and it’s two consecutive terms he gets. And congress won’t stop him. At least 40% of the electorate will support him. Most states will put him on the ballot, threatening to remove the democratic candidate if the others don’t. He will be in charge of the FEC and the various enforcement mechanisms, as he is now. So then what?

> I assume they’ll say he was robbed in 2020 and it’s two consecutive terms he gets. That's not how it works. 22A says: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once." T…

Obviously that’s not how it works but do the majority of Americans know that? Vaccines also don’t cause autism but here we are.

The question is still who is going to stop him.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by nurettin » Wed, Mar 19, 2025, 1:01 PM UTC

Cyph0n wrote: post #401

nurettin wrote: post #331

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It is extremely rare to meet a hijab girl in Turkey whose family never told her to wear one. For a woman, telling her to wear a hijab as she grows up is pretty much enforcement.

“Pretty much” is doing a lot of work here. So are you saying that parents should never teach their children about their own religious beliefs? Or is your problem with the hijab specifically?

They do whatever they want with their children and I don't care if the whole world including men wear hijabs. Or maybe even multiple hijabs on top of each other.

But people who think it isn't forced are simply wrong.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by 93po » Wed, Mar 19, 2025, 1:07 PM UTC

throw0101a wrote: post #386

r721 wrote: post #278

>Confirmed: Live metrics show #Turkey has restricted access to multiple social media platforms including X, YouTube, Instagram and TikTok; the incident comes as Istanbul mayor Ekrem Imamoglu and dozens of others are detained in events described by the opposition as a "coup" https://x.com/netblocks/status/1902230361968427206 >Turkey detains Istanbul mayor Imamoglu in corruption probe https://www.dw.com/en/turkey-detai…

> Prosecutors accused him of corruption and aiding a terrorist group, calling him a "criminal organisation leader suspect". * https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yren8mxp8o > Authorities also closed several roads around Istanbul and banned demonstrations in the city for four days in an apparent effort to prevent protests following Imamoglu’s arrest. * https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/19/turkiye-police-deta...

interesting how we even see this happening constantly in the US, on both sides. just accuse your opposition of being a criminal as much as you can, and throw as much at them as possible, and when the absolute smallest thing sticks, you blow it out of proportion

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Wed, Mar 19, 2025, 1:07 PM UTC

wodenokoto wrote: post #253

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #176

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> Can't this be fixed easily by another university bestowing an honorary degree to this guy then? No. That’s a technical solution to a political problem. But, we’re on HN ! Does anyone have a good English translation of the relevant statute? The loopholes to a certificate problem are with the certification authority—how is a compliant degree defined?

Cancelling his degree is just as technical a solution to a political problem.

> Cancelling his degree is just as technical a solution to a political problem

Violating a law versus violating a norm. Big difference.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by 93po » Wed, Mar 19, 2025, 1:20 PM UTC

breadwinner wrote: post #184

amadeuspagel wrote: post #34

The really interesting news here is that in Turkey you need a degree to run for president.

United States from the 1890s to the 1960s required voters to pass a literacy before they could vote. We should bring back this rule. Voters should have a minimum level of knowledge about the world, science and democracy in order to vote. This would have prevented the current disaster which threatens not just our democracy, but by denying climate change, the entire planet.

creating unbiased tests is a really difficult thing to do even when trying really hard, and whatever tests we have for voting would absolutely get used to disenfranchise certain groups of people. just look at how bad gerrymandering is despite being explicitly illegal

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by vharuck » Wed, Mar 19, 2025, 1:43 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #204

Quarrel wrote: post #199

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> Having someone born in the country they are looking to lead seems silly to you? Whether it is silly or not, I'm not sure, but it certainly doesn't seem very democratic. IMO Arnold Schwarzenegger, to pick a random foreign born politician, should be able to stand for President. People can choose not to vote for him if they've bothered by him being foreign born. FWIW, in Australia, no member of Federal Parliament (so…

> IMO Arnold Schwarzenegger, to pick a random foreign born politician, should be able to stand for President. The reservoir of potential candidates is vast. The risk this mitigates seems important enough to give up on additional potential candidates. It's not like other countries aren't protective. Have you looked at trying to even just immigrate to Japan? Regardless of how you feel, a country should be able to set i…

>The reservoir of potential candidates is vast. The risk this mitigates seems important enough to give up on additional potential candidates.

I've recently grown to value this idea of "No single person is special or necessary for the government to function." According to the Census Bureau, there are over 150,000,000 native US citizens aged 35 and older. We could have a new president every month and still have a massive number of people to choose from. The only problem would be disruptions from rapid hand offs. The pool is not the issue. Taken to the extreme, this means political assassinations are only meaningful in dissuading replacements from taking the same views and causing temporary disruptions. The lives of politicians aren't inherently worth more than any other person.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by echoangle » Wed, Mar 19, 2025, 2:13 PM UTC

spwa4 wrote: post #119

BurningFrog wrote: post #85

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The diploma says you've successfully completed an education, and has the knowledge and skills it should confer. Murdering a professor doesn't change that fact, so from a strict logical standpoint it should not be affected. That said, I don't really have a problem if they do.

The theory put up is that your behavior in university, before you get the diploma does matter. If you get expelled due to an action you took before the diploma was granted, the diploma may be revoked, even if that decision is made after the diploma is already in your hands. This is true. If you're caught cheating or commit a crime your diploma may get revoked, including in the situation that you already have the pape…

> The theory put up is that your behavior in university, before you get the diploma does matter.

Ok, but why should it?

The diploma doesn't certify that you're a pleasant person, have good morals or follow the law. It means that you passed some exams and are expected to have some competency in your subject. The only reason to doubt that this is the case after already giving someone a diploma is cheating, which means they didn't actually pass the exams. Other misconduct during working on the diploma has nothing to do with the qualifications for the diploma.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by genewitch » Wed, Mar 19, 2025, 3:08 PM UTC

selcuka wrote: post #71

khazhoux wrote: post #24

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Everything?? Or do you just mean digital media?

Everything. For example, try not paying your property taxes for some time to see if it's really your "property".

I have a homestead exemption, because I have a homestead. So I don't pay property taxes. Furthermore, my family had their property imminent domained in southern California, where property taxes are quite high, so I'm not sure this comment makes sense, from either direction. "Its your land unless the government really needs it" means it isn't your land.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by dylan604 » Wed, Mar 19, 2025, 3:12 PM UTC

holbrad wrote: post #364

arcticbull wrote: post #318

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Natural birth is not a defense against that.

It is a defence against it. Just not a perfect one.

It's right up there with the question on the form that asks if you are a subversive or not (or whatever the actual wording is). If you were a subversive, wouldn't you be exactly the type to lie about the answer?