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Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by dragonwriter »

stickfigure wrote: post #207
dragonwriter wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He can't run within the Constitution if it isn't changed. OTOH, his concern about whether his actions are Constitutional and the ability and willingness of any other institution to impose meaningful consequences on his unconstitutional acts don't support the conclusion that his future actions will be limited to what the Constitution allows.

A constitutional amendment requires ratification by 3/4 of the states. Even getting one proposed requires 2/3 of both houses of congress. This is not going to happen. Simply ignoring the constitution and cancelling the vote? There's no way he will be able to shift the Overton window that far in ~3 years.

> Simply ignoring the constitution and cancelling the vote?

How about ignoring the Constitution and just running anyway?

> There's no way he will be able to shift the Overton window that far in ~3 years.

Yeah, even totalitarians these days hold elections for show. I absolutely expect that there will formally be an election in 2028.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by kennysoona »

manishsharan wrote: post #133
harshreality wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardeep_Singh_Nijjar

Not sure what your point is. Nijjar was a terrorist linked to assassinations in Punjab and committed to destruction of India. A nation , democracy included, has a right to protect itself.

> A nation , democracy included, has a right to protect itself.

They were not doing that when they committed an assassination and violated a nations sovereignty to do so.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by wodenokoto »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #176
YZF wrote: post #173

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Can't this be fixed easily by another university bestowing an honorary degree to this guy then?

> Can't this be fixed easily by another university bestowing an honorary degree to this guy then? No. That’s a technical solution to a political problem. But, we’re on HN ! Does anyone have a good English translation of the relevant statute? The loopholes to a certificate problem are with the certification authority—how is a compliant degree defined?

Cancelling his degree is just as technical a solution to a political problem.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by hackandthink »

jibe wrote: post #224
lazyasciiart wrote: post #198

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Yes, it seems silly. Which countries have had a foreign puppet elected because they lack this provision?

Hitler?

Hitler was stateless from 1925 until 1932.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_of_Adolf_Hitler

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by almostgotcaught »

echelon wrote: post #209
jayknight wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 2028, The State of Indiana is going to issue a corrected birth certificate for Pete Buttigieg showing him to be 32 years and therefore not eligible to be president.

I'm LGBT and I feel fairly confident in saying that there's no way in hell America will elect a gay man in my lifetime. If Pete is the Democratic candidate, it's a freebie to the Republicans. I think that Democrats that believe a Pete win is possible live in a bubble. Their views are invalid until they travel the States more to increase their exposure to the rest of the electorate.

> gay man

i think you're wrong and i certainly don't live in a bubble. but the reason i think you're wrong is not that america is progressive enough accept a gay man but because he's basically not gay; he's absolutely the least gay presenting man in the history of gay presenting men (exaggerating a little). he has no lisp, not an ounce of flamboyancy, nothing, zilch, nada. I'm aware he's fully out and there are photos of him with his husband and child and etc.

he's also young, handsome, ivy-league educated, was an officer in the military and deployed, intelligent, extremely well-spoken, and charismatic (not to mention experienced but who cares about such trivial things). he has all of the qualities that made obama successful in 2008 just swap black->gay. most importantly, and i'm not flaunting this: he's a man.

so i do hope he runs because he i think he has a better chance than bernie or kamala or walz or newsom or hakeem or aoc. but hey we all know there won't be an election in 2028 anyway so what are we even talking about here lol.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by vkou »

gizzlon wrote: post #219
stickfigure wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A constitutional amendment requires ratification by 3/4 of the states. Even getting one proposed requires 2/3 of both houses of congress. This is not going to happen. Simply ignoring the constitution and cancelling the vote? There's no way he will be able to shift the Overton window that far in ~3 years.

Are you 100% sure there are no obscure laws or something that can be used to postpone an election somehow? :( How about simply refusing to accept a loss, calling the election rigged and fake.. Or simply putting a puppet as the candidate. Believe Putin did this some years ago.

He wouldn't need a law. He'd just do what he wants, some judge will rule it illegal, and he'll ignore the ruling. That playbook has worked up until this point, why stop?

Elections would be held, but there's no reason to assume their outcome will be respected.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by tlogan »

lolinder wrote: post #241
tlogan wrote: post #236

There’s a noticeable inconsistency in how Hacker News community reacts to electoral controversies in Romania and Turkey. In Romania, the Constitutional Court disqualified candidate Călin Georgescu based on unproven allegations that he was influenced by Russia. In Turkey, opposition leader and Istanbul Mayor Ekrem İmamoğlu was barred from running after his university degree was annulled under dubious circumstances. Bo…

Here's the link to the relevant discussion so people can decide for themselves if there actually is a significant difference and come to their own conclusions about why that difference might exist: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42339819 Also, in general I find that people who weigh in with this kind of comment trying to draw parallels and implying that there was some kind of consensus in favor of X which is in…

Thank you for highlighting the discussion about Romanian Constitutional Court’s annulment of the presidential election due to alleged Russian interference.

However, there’s a noticeable lack of discourse regarding Turkish President Erdoğan’s actions to maintain power. Nobody is arguing he is right.

Anyway both scenarios involve incumbent authorities taking measures that consolidate their hold on power, yet the disparity in our community’s reactions is striking. This raises questions about potential biases within our intellectual circles. Are we, as a community that prides itself on rational discourse, sometimes swayed by tribal instincts rather than objective analysis? It’s crucial to reflect on this to ensure our discussions remain balanced and rooted in intellectual honesty.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by tlogan »

Den_VR wrote: post #242
tlogan wrote: post #236

There’s a noticeable inconsistency in how Hacker News community reacts to electoral controversies in Romania and Turkey. In Romania, the Constitutional Court disqualified candidate Călin Georgescu based on unproven allegations that he was influenced by Russia. In Turkey, opposition leader and Istanbul Mayor Ekrem İmamoğlu was barred from running after his university degree was annulled under dubious circumstances. Bo…

There’s a few things wrong here. Being a community of intellectuals doesn’t equal a community of rationalists. And even rationalists may use different criteria than you in matters of international security, arriving at conclusions you may see as inconsistent and biased. Does this make sense to you?

This definitely makes sense.

Let’s check history…

Many academics, including professors and students, endorsed Nazi ideology. For instance, in 1933, approximately 900 professors signed the “Vow of allegiance of the Professors of the German Universities and High-Schools to Adolf Hitler and the National Socialistic State,” publicly expressing their support for the Nazi government.

So yeah … intellectuals can be very very wrong.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by simion314 »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #196

These tactics are often criticized selectively. Why is it a problem when Turkey manipulates elections by banning certain candidates or parties, but not a problem when Romania or Germany or the EU does it? When any country resorts to such authoritarian tactics, it needs to be condemned. Otherwise criticism of people like Erdogan falls flat.

Don't comment about Romania if you are not correctly informed. For Turkey I will wait for judges to decide if what happened was legal.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by dragonwriter »

echelon wrote: post #209
jayknight wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 2028, The State of Indiana is going to issue a corrected birth certificate for Pete Buttigieg showing him to be 32 years and therefore not eligible to be president.

I'm LGBT and I feel fairly confident in saying that there's no way in hell America will elect a gay man in my lifetime. If Pete is the Democratic candidate, it's a freebie to the Republicans. I think that Democrats that believe a Pete win is possible live in a bubble. Their views are invalid until they travel the States more to increase their exposure to the rest of the electorate.

> I'm LGBT and I feel fairly confident in saying that there's no way in hell America will elect a gay man in my lifetime.

I think its much more likely that America would elect a gay man than any member of the neoliberal wing of the Democratic Party.

Which, I mean, still means Pete is out, but for a different reason.

> I think that Democrats that believe a Pete win is possible live in a bubble. Their views are invalid until they travel the States more to increase their exposure to the rest of the electorate.

No one is going to win that doesn't understand that campaigns are about moving the electorate, not finding whether they are already are (from which a competent opponent will move them while you are chasing them.)

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