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Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by lolinder »

tlogan wrote: post #236

There’s a noticeable inconsistency in how Hacker News community reacts to electoral controversies in Romania and Turkey. In Romania, the Constitutional Court disqualified candidate Călin Georgescu based on unproven allegations that he was influenced by Russia. In Turkey, opposition leader and Istanbul Mayor Ekrem İmamoğlu was barred from running after his university degree was annulled under dubious circumstances. Bo…

Here's the link to the relevant discussion so people can decide for themselves if there actually is a significant difference and come to their own conclusions about why that difference might exist:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42339819

Also, in general I find that people who weigh in with this kind of comment trying to draw parallels and implying that there was some kind of consensus in favor of X which is inconsistent with the opposition to Y both misremember the earlier conversation and forget that these conversations feature totally different people. Judging an extremely heterogenous community for the consistency of its political views is an exercise in futility.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by Den_VR »

tlogan wrote: post #236

There’s a noticeable inconsistency in how Hacker News community reacts to electoral controversies in Romania and Turkey. In Romania, the Constitutional Court disqualified candidate Călin Georgescu based on unproven allegations that he was influenced by Russia. In Turkey, opposition leader and Istanbul Mayor Ekrem İmamoğlu was barred from running after his university degree was annulled under dubious circumstances. Bo…

There’s a few things wrong here. Being a community of intellectuals doesn’t equal a community of rationalists. And even rationalists may use different criteria than you in matters of international security, arriving at conclusions you may see as inconsistent and biased.

Does this make sense to you?

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by pstuart »

psychlops wrote: post #185
throwaway3485t8 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that people are being arrested for the most stupid reasons in Turkey, I can understand people not wanting to put their life on the line. 10 years ago I could have seen people protesting (see Gezi park protests) but now ? Not really. What's worse is that somehow plenty of Turk are fine with it. Inflation above 100% for long time, crappy salaries, people can't even afford rents but the leader's party still get ab…

Trump can't run for election again as it's his second term. Voting doesn't apply.

That's just a dumb rule and only losers would follow it. /s

Trump's made no secret about the fact that he doesn't intend to leave office, his enablers have disdain for democracy and want a king. They very well may pull it off, as they've done whatever they liked regardless so far.

I want to be wrong about this but my hopes are tempered.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by bawolff »

crooked-v wrote: post #215
bawolff wrote: post #208

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My high school wouldn't let you graduate if you had unpaid library fines, i can't imagine what they would do if you caused tens of thousands of dollars in damage. I agree rescinding post-granting degree is weird but we are still talking about behaviour that happened while they were students and that happened relatively recently (such that disciplinary procedures could have realistically started while they were still…

Ekrem İmamoğlu, the man whose degree was taken away, is 55 and got his degree in the early 90s. What is "recent" about that?

I was replying to someone comparing the article to pro-palestine protestors from columbia who had their degree removed.

I agree 100% that people like Ekrem İmamoğlu is a totally different situation. That was the thing i was trying to argue.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by dylan604 »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #235
dylan604 wrote: post #230

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Maybe because the policy exists that people have not so easily been able to get to the top position. Remove that policy and Putin himself could run for the office. It's an idiotic comment for an idiotic misunderstanding of why the policy exists

You seem to put people in the category of "born here, so good" and "birn elsewhere, less good". Fair enough. If you are a supporter of, say, Trump you therefore say that Biden or Harris are much better than any other, naturalized citizen, as presidents? It's hard to see the logic here, probably because I am an idiot, but if where you were birn defines the man for you then fine - everyone has their opinion.

it's so unamerican it is part of the constitution that defines america and deliberately placed there by the founding fathers. i'm sure they were concerned that the king would try to undermine the new country the first chance he got by placing someone loyal to the crown to undo all of the work that led to the constitution.

it's not a good better best situation like you seem to think. at this point, i really think the unwilling to see how attempting to limit the new nation from being led by a foreign operative would be so important to the survival of the new nation. only, new is now 200+ years old (yet still a babe in the woods to other national histories) so the "threat" seems lessened by people like you.

i also started the entire thread by stating we have a foreign operative in place now, so if you can't read between those lines in who i didn't vote for then you're really just being deliberately obtuse about the situation is the only logical explanation i can see.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by the_clarence »

dylan604 wrote: post #159
eru wrote: post #153

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The US requires a fairly high minimum age and for someone to be born American. Those requirements seem also a bit silly and stand in the way of voters expressing their wishes. For some fun times, have a look at the requirements to become president in Singapore. Basically, you either have to have been a senior civil servant before or the CEO of a large and profitable company. https://www.eld.gov.sg/candidate_president…

Having someone born in the country they are looking to lead seems silly to you? With that restriction, it has taken quite some time for a foreign adversary to have a puppet elected vs just shipping in some carpet bagger. Having a minimum age also allows for some decent life experience. After all, 35 years old is not that old.

Yes it is silly

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by the_clarence »

dylan604 wrote: post #175
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #171

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For me "botn in the country" or "born a citizen of the country" does not mean much. This is like assuming that your birth status makes the person. Think minarchy, castes, ... You can be a naturalized citizen in live with your country, or a born citizen plain stupid and with worst interests in mind.

Born in the country lessens the likelihood that you are beholden to more than one master. Born in another country then naturalized still does not rule out sleeper agent situations. Seems pretty obvious to me. I'm one that questions the whole pledge of allegiance forced to be recited by children that have no wherewithal to understand what allegiance even means or the ramifications of that pledge. Yet, I'm okay with bo…

And yet elon musk an immigrant is currently the president

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by petre »

aiono wrote: post #9

I am from Turkey and this really concerns me. If we don't protest this in the streets and fight back I am afraid we don't have any kind of law anymore.

It will probably end up like those Gezi Patk protests with people dead and injured.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by kennysoona »

dylan604 wrote: post #175
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me "botn in the country" or "born a citizen of the country" does not mean much. This is like assuming that your birth status makes the person. Think minarchy, castes, ... You can be a naturalized citizen in live with your country, or a born citizen plain stupid and with worst interests in mind.

Born in the country lessens the likelihood that you are beholden to more than one master. Born in another country then naturalized still does not rule out sleeper agent situations. Seems pretty obvious to me. I'm one that questions the whole pledge of allegiance forced to be recited by children that have no wherewithal to understand what allegiance even means or the ramifications of that pledge. Yet, I'm okay with bo…

> Born in the country lessens the likelihood that you are beholden to more than one master.

Not in the modern world it doesn't.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by petre »

eru wrote: post #153
throwaind29k wrote: post #144

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The more fundamental question is why a degree should be necessary to run for President. US does not require one for example.

The US requires a fairly high minimum age and for someone to be born American. Those requirements seem also a bit silly and stand in the way of voters expressing their wishes. For some fun times, have a look at the requirements to become president in Singapore. Basically, you either have to have been a senior civil servant before or the CEO of a large and profitable company. https://www.eld.gov.sg/candidate_president…

If it wasn't silly apartheid kid psychos like Elon or Peter Thiel could run for president. But fortunately they can't because of those silly requirements. Unfortunately that's not enough to stop psychos that can actually run, as we have all witnessed.
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