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Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by breadwinner »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #194
breadwinner wrote: post #190

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Right, and that was apparently constitutional. If so we can bring back the law, but this time to disenfranchise dumb voters.

No, it wasn't. https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/timeline_event/literacy-t...

As you see in the article you linked, it was ruled unconstitutional only because it violated the 15th amendment. That amendment makes it illegal to deny the right to vote based on race, color, or previous condition of servitude. It is still legal to deny the right to vote if someone is deemed not smart enough.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by psychlops »

pmags wrote: post #48

The Trump administration is similarly trying to purge / stifle academic institutions and bend them to their uses. For example, the Trump administration has told Columbia to dissolve specific academic departments. See this earlier discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43358925 The US and Turkish governments are operating under the same authoritarian rules of engagement, it's just that the Turks are further…

Columbia university can do whatever it wants. However, if they want to take free money from the federal government then they have to jump through more hoops.

That article you reference says nothing about dissolving academic departments. Perhaps you are referring to academic receivership.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by echelon »

Quarrel wrote: post #199
dylan604 wrote: post #159

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Having someone born in the country they are looking to lead seems silly to you? With that restriction, it has taken quite some time for a foreign adversary to have a puppet elected vs just shipping in some carpet bagger. Having a minimum age also allows for some decent life experience. After all, 35 years old is not that old.

> Having someone born in the country they are looking to lead seems silly to you? Whether it is silly or not, I'm not sure, but it certainly doesn't seem very democratic. IMO Arnold Schwarzenegger, to pick a random foreign born politician, should be able to stand for President. People can choose not to vote for him if they've bothered by him being foreign born. FWIW, in Australia, no member of Federal Parliament (so…

> IMO Arnold Schwarzenegger, to pick a random foreign born politician, should be able to stand for President.

The reservoir of potential candidates is vast. The risk this mitigates seems important enough to give up on additional potential candidates.

It's not like other countries aren't protective. Have you looked at trying to even just immigrate to Japan?

Regardless of how you feel, a country should be able to set its own policies.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by cwillu »

psychlops wrote: post #185
throwaway3485t8 wrote: post #50

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Given that people are being arrested for the most stupid reasons in Turkey, I can understand people not wanting to put their life on the line. 10 years ago I could have seen people protesting (see Gezi park protests) but now ? Not really. What's worse is that somehow plenty of Turk are fine with it. Inflation above 100% for long time, crappy salaries, people can't even afford rents but the leader's party still get ab…

Trump can't run for election again as it's his second term. Voting doesn't apply.

The worry isn't that the law says he can't, the worry is that the law won't be sufficient to make the attempt unthinkable.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by manishsharan »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #149
manishsharan wrote: post #133

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Not sure what your point is. Nijjar was a terrorist linked to assassinations in Punjab and committed to destruction of India. A nation , democracy included, has a right to protect itself.

A nation has a right to protect itself. It does not have a right to use extrajudicial assassins in a foreign country to kill someone who does not actively pose a threat. In a democracy you have a right to a trial, to see the evidence against you, etc. you don’t just kill people. By the same logic, India would be fine if Canada sent covert assassins to India to go after the assassins and the people that ordered it? Sh…

That's a interesting point considering that Nijjar had been denied asylum more than once and caught lying on his application. Giving him asylum was a result of weird ghetto vote bank politics of Brampton and Surrey.

It's not that Canada has never sent assassins to foreign nations. Canada participated in Afghanistan war and people including children, in Pakistan were killed by NATO airstrikes. Where was the due process for those kids playing soccer who were killed?

I do not condone any killing by anyone. But people in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by stickfigure »

dragonwriter wrote: post #188
psychlops wrote: post #185

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Trump can't run for election again as it's his second term. Voting doesn't apply.

He can't run within the Constitution if it isn't changed. OTOH, his concern about whether his actions are Constitutional and the ability and willingness of any other institution to impose meaningful consequences on his unconstitutional acts don't support the conclusion that his future actions will be limited to what the Constitution allows.

A constitutional amendment requires ratification by 3/4 of the states. Even getting one proposed requires 2/3 of both houses of congress. This is not going to happen.

Simply ignoring the constitution and cancelling the vote? There's no way he will be able to shift the Overton window that far in ~3 years.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by bawolff »

plorg wrote: post #172
Aurornis wrote: post #154

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> Just another reason not to invest time and money into it. No it’s not. Not unless you plan on taking over campus buildings and vandalizing them, I guess. The degree isn’t some unrevocable item that you own. It’s an endorsement from the university. There are contractual agreements involved and it doesn’t take much imagination to think of how taking over a campus building and vandalizing it (while encouraging current…

Eh, I attended a conservative Christian college and there was a pretty strict religious code of conduct students were required to abide by. I would find it pretty disturbing for the school to retroactively rescind my engineering degree due to my having drunk underage or being an atheist. You can come up with whatever justification you want, but this action is unprecedented and clearly a politically motivated punishme…

My high school wouldn't let you graduate if you had unpaid library fines, i can't imagine what they would do if you caused tens of thousands of dollars in damage. I agree rescinding post-granting degree is weird but we are still talking about behaviour that happened while they were students and that happened relatively recently (such that disciplinary procedures could have realistically started while they were still students).

It is unusual, but the situation is unusual. I think calling it unprecedented is a bit much. Its plausible it could be politically motivated, but it seems equally plausible that the school is pissed that they now have to find thousands in the budget to repair the damage done. Causing tens of thousands of dollars in damages is a plausible reason for the school to be mad.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by echelon »

jayknight wrote: post #92
wnevets wrote: post #42

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I'm sure it sounded like a good idea at the time but this proves once again these kind of limitations placed on leadership positions can and will be exploited.

In 2028, The State of Indiana is going to issue a corrected birth certificate for Pete Buttigieg showing him to be 32 years and therefore not eligible to be president.

I'm LGBT and I feel fairly confident in saying that there's no way in hell America will elect a gay man in my lifetime.

If Pete is the Democratic candidate, it's a freebie to the Republicans.

I think that Democrats that believe a Pete win is possible live in a bubble. Their views are invalid until they travel the States more to increase their exposure to the rest of the electorate.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by DC-3 »

breadwinner wrote: post #190
DC-3 wrote: post #187

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I'm not even American and yet where I'm from it's common knowledge that literacy tests were used to systematically disenfranchise black people from voting.

Right, and that was apparently constitutional. If so we can bring back the law, but this time to disenfranchise dumb voters.

You think at the time they openly said they were trying to take the vote from black people? Or did they say exactly what you're saying now, that they were simply trying to ensure that only smart and educated people could vote.
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