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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by madcaptenor »

fernandopj wrote: post #304
9dev wrote: post #254

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Because he is the head of a foreign nation, and will hold that office till death. You cannot be head of multiple nations at once.

If you "relax" your notion of what is a "nation", even POTUS is at fault at this rule - USA has states (50), territories (5), unhabited territories (9), district (1), and a lot of extra-continental bases and even disputed territories. [0] I believe USA also claims land around any Apollo device at the Moon. [no source] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_territories...

If we're talking about claims to the moon, the Bishop of Orlando is Bishop of the Moon, because the Apollo missions took off from Cape Canaveral, in the Diocese of Orlando.

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Post by dzdt »

tptacek wrote: post #316

Prior to Francis, the last pope we had from a religious order (as opposed to a career diocesan) was Gregory XVI in 1831. Now we've had two religious popes in a row --- Francis, a Jesuit, and then Leo, an Augustinian.

Can you explain this like I'm 5?

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Post by krapp »

mrguyorama wrote: post #344
sepositus wrote: post #55

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Curious, do you think he's wrong that it's at odds with what was taught by the apostles? It's obviously unpopular, but I have yet to see a convincing argument (based in the teachings of the Bible) that promotes same-sex marriages. If I were in his position, and part of my duty is to interpret and lead via "the holy scriptures," then I would probably want to be as accurate as possible.

When did Jesus say ANYTHING about homosexuality?

He didn't.

He did say slaves should obey their masters, however. It's weird that Christians have no problem opposing slavery despite it being unambigiously supported by the Bible, and verbatim by both God and Jesus, but they absolutely cannot budge on homosexuality.

Even though the Bible only explicitly forbids sex between men, meaning the Church should have no stance whatsoever on lesbianism, yet they do. It's like they want to eat their cake and have it too.

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Post by danso »

moralestapia wrote: post #257
polalavik wrote: post #234

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This is such petty semantics, most of the world understands that is is a shortening of The United States of America. In fact most everyone uses some version of “Americans” [1]. 96% of the world refers to America as a continent and I’m sure 96% refer to the US as America too. It’s all about context. I don’t think anyone is genuinely confused most of the time. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonyms_for_the_United…

You are an editor on CNN. A person from the US has been elected as the Pope, you have to come up with a title for this news piece. You have these two options: A) First American Pope elected ... B) First US Pope elected ... A is ambiguous because "American" means a country for 4% of the world and a continent for 96% of the world. Also, the pope that just died happened to be from Argentina, and also happened to be the…

But “US” is not an adjective? It’d be like saying “First Brazil Pope elected”

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Post by mFixman »

lormayna wrote: post #298
mFixman wrote: post #282

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Francis was seen as being too close to the Kirchnerists in ideology and too conflicted with the Kirchnerists in actions when he was Archbishop. Visiting Argentina would have forced him to take a side and trigger a political crisis he probably wanted to avoid. As far as I know there's no similar conflict with the new Pope, and he wasn't even in America for the most important part of his church career.

Really? I always heard that Francis was the first enemy of Kirtcherners

Francis was the most important supporter of liberation theology in Argentina, which was very ideologically aligned with the Kirchners. He was also strongly opposed to almost every politician who opposed the government.

Bergoglio had several conflicts with the Kirchner government when he was an Archbishop. Cristina didn't tell the position the government would take when he got elected Pope, but the government-aligned (but not government-controlled) mass media associations preemptively filled Buenos Aires with anti-Bergoglio propaganda.

A week later Cristina met the Pope and announced that they were politically aligned, and the same mass media associations filled Buenos Aires with pro-Bergoglio propaganda.

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Post by connicpu »

bowsamic wrote: post #146
oytis wrote: post #118

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Sounds like an amazing opportunity for insider trading

I wouldn't be shocked if that's one of the reasons why they sequester

The sequestering goes back centuries, but it's certainly a reason to keep doing it beyond just removing outside influence once the process begins.

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Post by CobrastanJorji »

bbor wrote: post #134
afavour wrote: post #97

> "Cardinal George of Chicago, of happy memory, was one of my great mentors, and he said: 'Look, until America goes into political decline, there won't be an American pope.' And his point was, if America is kind of running the world politically, culturally, economically, they don't want America running the world religiously. So, I think there's some truth to that, that we're such a superpower and so dominant, they do…

For what it’s worth, I was just reading that Leo wasn’t seen as “completely” American due to his many years in Peru — he’s even a citizen. Take that as you will.

I think it was Aristotle who said "Give me a child until his mid-twenties, and I will give you a complete American."

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Post by ralfd »

tedivm wrote: post #334
mjirv wrote: post #208

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sure, why not?

To be president you have to be a resident for the previous 14 years, so he wouldn't be eligible unless he moved here today and waited 14 years. He'd be 83 at that point.

Quora says:

> Interestingly, the Constitution does not specify whether the 14 years have to be consecutive, nor is the 14 years must occur immediately before the person becomes president. Herbert Hoover, for example, lived in London from 1910 to 1917, and when he ran for election in 1928, he had only lived, on his return, to the U.S. for 11 years. This did not disqualify him from the presidency.

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Post by [deleted] »

bee_rider wrote: post #273
bitshiftfaced wrote: post #188

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From reading online comments, I'm starting to believe that those who reside outside the US are more strident defenders of the idea that "US citizens only" = "American" than US citizens themselves.

I think most people worldwide basically know what you mean when you say American, but are actually referring to a person from the US, via context. It is pragmatic label. They aren’t from the US so they don’t have to worry about some identity based thing or feeling like they are stealing the name from two continents, for their one country. On the other hand, some of more conscientious people in the US are feeling a li…

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Post by Izikiel43 »

hollerith wrote: post #244
Izikiel43 wrote: post #232

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> most of the world, when they say America or American, they mean the US Ehh no. In school in Argentina you are taught that the whole continent is called America, then you have subcontinents in it (North/central/south), and I would guess other south american countries are the same. If you want to say citizen of the USA in Argentina you would call them yankees.

OK, but English speakers are under no obligation to follow conventions and vocabulary used by Spanish speakers. Similarly, the Poles, French and English all have their own words for Germany that look nothing like "Deutschland". (The Polish word for Germany is Niemcy. The French word is Allemagne.)

Sure, but the op said "most of the world", which is not true, I gave a counter example.
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