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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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The whole Catholic aesthetic is amazing. Really is the tops.

yeah Catholicism is kind of cool. I'm a lapsed Catholic myself (haven't been to church since I was like 12, except for weddings) but for occasions like this I feel a little bit more Catholic.

You’re always welcome to come back.

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If he is taxed, he should renounce US citizenship as he's very unlike to move back to the US.

Very unlikely is an understatement. Francis never even visited his home country of Argentina after being elected as Pope.

Francis was seen as being too close to the Kirchnerists in ideology and too conflicted with the Kirchnerists in actions when he was Archbishop. Visiting Argentina would have forced him to take a side and trigger a political crisis he probably wanted to avoid.

As far as I know there's no similar conflict with the new Pope, and he wasn't even in America for the most important part of his church career.

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"Whereas Francis said, “Who am I to judge?” when asked about gay clerics, Cardinal Prevost has expressed less welcoming views to L.G.B.T.Q. people. In a 2012 address to bishops, he lamented that Western news media and popular culture fostered “sympathy for beliefs and practices that are at odds with the gospel.” He cited the “homosexual lifestyle” and “alternative families comprised of same-sex partners and their ado…

> In a 2012 address to bishops

Even Obama opposed gay marriage in 2010.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-still-opposes-same-sex-ma...

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From reading online comments, I'm starting to believe that those who reside outside the US are more strident defenders of the idea that "US citizens only" = "American" than US citizens themselves.

I think most people worldwide basically know what you mean when you say American, but are actually referring to a person from the US, via context. It is pragmatic label. They aren’t from the US so they don’t have to worry about some identity based thing or feeling like they are stealing the name from two continents, for their one country. On the other hand, some of more conscientious people in the US are feeling a li…

> some of more conscientious people in the US are feeling a little awkward about the name these days. So it isn’t surprising that we’d be the ones objecting

If the folks who got us into this mess with label obsession move on to something less charged like USian, that’s probably for the net good.

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When you're embraced by its grace, all of the aesthetic takes on a very bright and uplifting inspirational tone and becomes symbolic of a lifetime of guidance and empowerment. Source: raised by an extremely loving Catholic mother.

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No fan of the RC church here but I didn't hear any mocking. Just pointing out a counterfactual experience.

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Yes, but find a catholic priest who doesn’t share that responsibility.

There are several important American bishops who have made serious strides to protect children. This is an ignorant statement.

It's not, really; the Catholic Church (among most other religious orders) routinely prioritises self-preservation over the safety of children.

If we were to use "was in proximity to allegations of child abuse and didn't act on it" as a barometer for who was permitted to ascent to the papacy, we'd have a pretty small pool to choose from.

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From reading online comments, I'm starting to believe that those who reside outside the US are more strident defenders of the idea that "US citizens only" = "American" than US citizens themselves.

Not in Central America. We call US citizens "Gringos" Unfortunately, this does carry a variable negative weight. Now, Latin Americans living in the US proudly call themselves "Americans" Edit: Albeit long, the correct gentilice for the US is "Estadounidenses" as in "Estados Unidos de América"

> the correct gentilice for the US is "Estadounidenses"

Which nobody uses. (It’s also meaningful to note that I would call myself an American in English but not in Spanish.)

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> The teachings of Jesus supersede the stuff from the Old testament (the one with all not very nice things) however they are rather vague and undefined. Except Jesus said that he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, and not one stroke of a letter of the law will pass away. So he didn't change anything about slavery, mistreatment of women, etc.

But none of that ever applied to gentiles. Not before Christ, not after. Jews today do not claim that non-Jews are obliged to, or even ought to, perform any Mitzvot whatsoever -- and that's despite generally acknowledging that there are universal moral laws which bind all "children of Noah". So if the remaining Jews continue following the Old Covenant, but others choose to rather follow Jesus' 'New and Eternal Covena…

To be fair modern Jews don't really follow the laws from the book of Deuteronomy (the one with rape -> marriage thing..) either due to other (but in a way kind of similar) reasons
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