The whole Catholic aesthetic is amazing. Really is the tops.
religions aren't an aesthetic. they're more than that.
funny how one downvotes a comment whenever it sounds contrary to the presumed aesthetic.
First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV
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#272The pope is not a subject that typically interests me, but I must admit that I find announcing a decision with changing smoke color rather delightful. I wonder how long ago that started.
From Catholic News Agency [1], for your convenience:
The history of the white smoke, which indicates that the cardinals have elected a new successor of St. Peter, is ancient. In 1274, at the Second Council of Lyons, Pope Gregory X, in a document titled Ubi Periculum, determined the procedure for holding a conclave.
There he specified that the election would be done in isolation and with strict secrecy. For this reason, and to avoid any communication with the outside, the smoke signal was eventually adopted as part of the ritual. The tradition of burning ballots goes back to at least 1417, and likely before then, according to historian Frederic J. Baumgartner. The addition of the white spoke to announce the election of a new pope is more recent, however. Baumgartner traces it to 1914, with the election of Pope Benedict XV.
If the smoke coming out of the chimney of the Sistine Chapel is black, it means that none of the proposed candidates has reached two-thirds of the votes needed to be elected. If the smoke is white, the Church has a new universal pastor.
In ancient times, the method to give the smoke these colors was to burn the ballots used in the voting with a bit of wet straw so that it would come out black, or dry so as to obtain white smoke.
Nowadays, and due to some episodes that caused confusion, special chemical compounds and a procedure that includes two different tubes, one for each color of smoke, are used.
In addition, a bell is rung, part of the ritual introduced when Pope Benedict XVI was elected, which confirms the smoke is white and a new pope has been elected.
[1] https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/263867/the-story-beh...
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#273Earlier quoted context omitted.
For what it's worth, Peru is in South America. Still American, Technically.
From reading online comments, I'm starting to believe that those who reside outside the US are more strident defenders of the idea that "US citizens only" = "American" than US citizens themselves.
I think most people worldwide basically know what you mean when you say American, but are actually referring to a person from the US, via context. It is pragmatic label. They aren’t from the US so they don’t have to worry about some identity based thing or feeling like they are stealing the name from two continents, for their one country.
On the other hand, some of more conscientious people in the US are feeling a little awkward about the name these days. So it isn’t surprising that we’d be the ones objecting.
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#274Is Pope Leo eligible to be voted President of the United States?
Article I, Section 9, Clause 8: No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
FWIW this has been read out of the Constitution. I doubt it would be applied in practice.
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#275Earlier quoted context omitted.
sure, why not?
Because he is the head of a foreign nation, and will hold that office till death. You cannot be head of multiple nations at once.
> You cannot be head of multiple nations at once.
Says who? Is it actually prohibited in the us constitution?
The british monarch is head of state of multiple nations, and has been for over a century.
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#276Earlier quoted context omitted.
> my duty is to interpret and lead via "the holy scriptures" Said scriptures also says that a woman can be sold to her rapist after he violates her. I think a more modern interpretation would not be a bad idea.
Not the New Testament. Christianity has the luxury (compared to some other religions..) of having very few "divinely ordained" rules. The teachings of Jesus supersede the stuff from the Old testament (the one with all not very nice things) however they are rather vague and undefined. So various churches can freely pick/discard almost whatever they want besides the 10 commandments while Muslims can't exactly just thro…
> The teachings of Jesus supersede the stuff from the Old testament
And teachings of Paul supersede the stuff from Jesus.
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#277Earlier quoted context omitted.
When you're under its thumb of oppression, all of the aesthetic takes on a very dark and sinister authoritarian tone and becomes symbolic of a lifetime of repression and coercion. Source: raised by an extremely abusive Catholic deacon.
When you're embraced by its grace, all of the aesthetic takes on a very bright and uplifting inspirational tone and becomes symbolic of a lifetime of guidance and empowerment. Source: raised by an extremely loving Catholic mother.
My enjoyment of things is somewhat diminished by knowing that the thing engages in a vast conspiracy to commit and conceal abuse worldwide.
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#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
sure, why not?
Because he is the head of a foreign nation, and will hold that office till death. You cannot be head of multiple nations at once.
Napoleon - Emperor of France and King of Italy
King George VI/Queen Elizabeth II/Charles III - Monarch over several British Commonwealth realms.
Wilhelm II - Emperor of Germany and King of Prussia
To name a few who disagree.
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#279Earlier quoted context omitted.
Francis had a degree in chemistry if I'm not mistaken.
It's a modern rhetorical fallacy that science is directly antithetical to religion, when many of history's greatest scientists were themselves "spiritual" in some way (though that degree of spirituality may have ranged from near-atheistic scientific pantheism a la Einstein and Sagan, to members of the clergy). I am glad there are still numerous counterexamples of those with firm educations in hard STEM fields that st…
The Catholic church has embraced science. It even accepts evolution and the big bang theory (as in: accepts it as a possibility, doesn't disavow it)
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Didn’t most tradcaths ask for Cardinal Sarah from Guinea?