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Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by olyjohn »

snazz wrote: post #221
nogridbag wrote: post #188

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I used the OSX App Store for the first time in years a few days ago. For the life of me I could not figure out how to download a simple free app. I had to ask my SO, who usually comes to me for tech questions, how to use it. Keep in mind I've been using computers for decades and have an above average understanding of UI design. 1. Upon clicking the App Store icon and entering my apple ID and password I get a 500 erro…

How it should work is that you search for an app, press GET, and it appears on your machine. I’m not sure what issue #1 and #2 are caused by (they’re certainly not common on a factory install with a normal iCloud account). I’m also not sure why the cloud icon appeared instead of downloading it straight to your machine. That’s also definitely a bug. For #3, here’s how I’d explain it to someone who hasn’t used it befor…

I dunno. The App store for me on my iPhone regularly behaves like this. I sometimes see the cloud icon, sometimes not, sometimes it refuses to download, sometimes I tap the icon and it does nothing, sometimes it starts downloading, then every time the phone goes to sleep, it stops downloading... I guess I'm supposed to sit there and tap the screen to keep it from sleeping while it downloads. I dunno, haven't bought a new app for my phone in a couple of years now.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by heavyset_go »

willis936 wrote: post #213
mxcrossb wrote: post #140

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> But I actually avoid the App Store these days, both on MacOS and my iPhone. I never really noticed but I just slowly stopped installing new applications from there That sounds less like avoiding and more like not using. I think this is natural. When the App Store first came out, apple planted the idea in our head that we needed new ways to use our machines. But unless you are a new user, it’s likely you’ve hit an e…

I’ve noticed something different. The apps on the app store used to be good. I’m not sure how or why but the apps on the iOS app store are _terrible_. For any given function, there appears to be no good option on the app store compared to, say, iOS app store 4 years ago (or android around the same time, the last time I used it). This is entirely on apple and not the developers, as Apple are the curators and the devel…

APIs are locked down to the point that only Apple can add useful functionality, which is by design.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by Someone1234 »

jldugger wrote: post #331
Someone1234 wrote: post #231

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In context though it is still Apple's issue: > After releasing the Catalina Golden Master build to developers on October the 3rd, we immediately finished fixing any new crash and issue we could find over the weekend. In our opinion, leaving developer just four (4!) days over a weekend with a public release on October the 7th is not very professional. While we still updated our applications in time, Apple did not revi…

Catalina had been available to the public for testing since like WWDC; unless these were late breaks only found in GM, it's a tough pill to swallow that these urgent bugs couldn't have been addressed before GM shipped.

> unless these were late breaks only found in GM

That's exactly what the article and the quote above says there was:

> we immediately finished fixing any new crash or issue we could find over the weekend

NEW crashes or issues. In the GM. In four days.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by pjmlp »

t0ddbonzalez wrote: post #301
pjmlp wrote: post #242

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That doesn't change the fact that Apple did NOT create the smartphone.

I didn't say they created the smartphone. They created THE smartphone - the definitive item.

You mean the were more successful marketing a PDA with phone capabilities? I guess they got something out of Newton.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by pjmlp »

htfu wrote: post #297
pjmlp wrote: post #242

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That doesn't change the fact that Apple did NOT create the smartphone.

But they wrote "Apple created THE smartphone.", not "Apple CREATED the smartphone." To me those mean entirely different things.

A better marketed PDA with phone capabilities?

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Post by pjmlp »

machello13 wrote: post #293
p_l wrote: post #233

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When iPhone arrived in Europe it was disappointment for people who used smartphones. It had few things going for it (better web browser than default IE Mobile on PDAs, better screen than many), and long list of "works worse". Starting with the basic things that everyone who invested in smartphones at the time wanted, i.e. email, going through hilariously high cost (the reason behind it known only to insiders - Apple…

What is this weird narrative that pre-iPhone smartphones didn't exist in the US, and somehow only Europe and Asia had these "advanced" devices? We had smartphones too. All the negatives you mentioned (no physical keyboard, copy & paste, etc.) were brought up by lots of people when the iPhone was first released. Ultimately it didn't matter, and the iPhone was a breakout hit and every single smartphone on sale today is…

Nokia and Sony failure to make an impact on US while the rest of the world was enjoying their Symbian and J2ME handsets.

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Post by Doctor_Fegg »

phinnaeus wrote: post #134
Illniyar wrote: post #60

They kind of bury the lead here. They can't have their app on the appstore because: " While we still updated our applications in time, Apple did not review them for the AppStore, and instead rejected them first for a crash (sigh!), and later for requiring UI changes, including showing a Save As panel for each generated file. Now this may not sound like much, this is a serious issue for a document scan application whi…

FYI: https://www.thefreedictionary.com/lede

Not everyone on the internet is American. "Lead" is perfectly decent British English for the beginning of an article and always has been. (Source: I'm a former UK magazine editor.)

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Post by pjmlp »

sbuk wrote: post #349
pjmlp wrote: post #235

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By all means, is 64 million shippments in 2006, the year before iPhone came to the market enough? https://www.canalys.com/newsroom/64-million-smart-phones-shi... Incredible how iOS fanbase tries to rewrite history.

You're moving the goalposts massively. No one is claiming that the first gen iPhone outsold anything or anyone. More importantly, that data is for 2006, the N95, of which you claim everyone and their dog knew about, didn't become available until march 2007. Your claim that the N95 was massively popular is also wide of the mark. Nokia had around 30 SKU's available to buy at the time, with the N95 being one of the very…

You are the one making those claims as otherwise it weakens the iOS über all assertion.

N95 was just one example of the millions of Symbian, J2ME and PocketPC/WindowsCE smartphones being shipped before iOS became reality.

Nokia's revenue only collapsed due to the way Elop drove the company to the ground as means to get the bonus on his contract. As the Finn press later discovered.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by asdf21 »

ttcbj wrote: post #305
ProAm wrote: post #295

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When you have billions in cash in the bank, and your future revenue is tied to subscriptions Tim Cook simply doesn't care about this, its minutiae to your bottom line. They can screw up for YEARS and still be a largely profitable company.

Agreed, but are Tim Cook and the board really satisfied with that? If so, it's a tragedy that so many resources are controlled by leaders who don't really care that much.

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