We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

Post by pjmlp » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 12:57 PM UTC

t0ddbonzalez wrote: post #186

pjmlp wrote: post #150

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So Europeans and Asians using Symbian, J2ME and Docomo handsets weren't regular consumers?

Docomo phones were(are?) a Japan-only irrelevance. Granted - Symbian was a thing back then, but can you buy a Symbian phone today? Consumers voted with their money, and they wanted iPhones, not Nokias. Fast forward to 2019, Nokia is nothing more than a trademark - making generic Android phones on one hand, and cashing in on nostalgia with their feature phones on the other hand.

Post by baud147258 » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 1:01 PM UTC

jdnenej wrote: post #55

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People get hung up on apple having a 30% entrance fee, but that didn't come out of nowhere. I work in the video games industry and access to steam or other first parties (Sony/Microsoft) is 30%, no negotiations. You could argue that first parties such as sony/microsoft have subtle costs involved such as printing of disks, but that's paid for before market by the publisher. The thing you pay for is: content distributi…

The amount of value steam provides on top of payment processing and distribution is immense. Valve basically single handedly created Linux gaming. Their client is so many years ahead of everything else with the forums, workshop, broadcast streaming, streaming to your tv, gamepad support and gamepad virtualisation as well as a mountain of developer side APIs for things like inviting friends to games. Apples 30% would…

Post by pjmlp » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 1:03 PM UTC

Crinus wrote: post #199

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Sure it has a future, that is the whole point of the MSIX move, sandboxing for Win32 and UWP, regardless of the store. I mean re-writing from Cocoa into Windows.

It might be some future for niche/specific uses, but i'm certain the current model of downloading an installer for applications and games or having a (non-sandboxed) downloader like Steam, Galaxy, Origin, EGS, etc will remain the most common by far. Unless Microsoft tries to force that, but they'll certainly face a lot of resistance and with their apparent coupling of Windows Store with the sandboxing model they coul…

Post by catalogia » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 1:06 PM UTC

moduspol wrote: post #220

gumby wrote: post #122

I like the App Store because it handles automatic updates pretty well. Then again these days with sparkle, the apps I use do update, so it's not a big advantage for Apple. And how do I know sparkle works so well? Well whenever a dev has an app both in the store and directly downloadable from their site I choose the latter. The price is the same, the functionality is the same (or sometimes more) but the dev gets 30% m…

The sandboxing of apps is a nice benefit, though. I can be reasonably confident apps won't conflict with each other and that they're interfacing cleanly and minimally with the host OS. Perhaps not the best example, but I set up Wireguard recently. On Linux, this involves building and installing a kernel module, and directly modifying the host's networking configuration. On Mac, I can install it from the App Store, an…

Post by dijit » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 1:08 PM UTC

prepend wrote: post #226

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You couldn't make a call and browse the Internet at the same time on an iPhone. You couldn't copy and paste text on an iPhone. The camera was worse than any contemporary mid range camera phone.

I could make a phone call and browse the interest on my gen1 iPhone. I used ATT as my network. Verizon had the limitation you described, but not all carriers. Copy and paste didn’t work, but it didn’t work on any phone at the time. A few attempted it (eg, win mobile, blackberry) but it really sucked. The camera was quite good and the ability to finally save and share photos and video was revolutionary at the time. I…