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Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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There seems to be several problems. Not entirely sexism. 1. Founder's wife asked Horvath out and gave her a lecture about who is the boss. Probably out of jealousy. 2. Founder's wife physically inanimate Horvath, making her unwelcome and scared. 3. Founder did not stop the wife and protect his wife. 4. Horvath was approached by a male co-worker and according to her her rejection had caused tension between her and tha…

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Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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There seems to be several problems. Not entirely sexism. 1. Founder's wife asked Horvath out and gave her a lecture about who is the boss. Probably out of jealousy. 2. Founder's wife physically inanimate Horvath, making her unwelcome and scared. 3. Founder did not stop the wife and protect his wife. 4. Horvath was approached by a male co-worker and according to her her rejection had caused tension between her and tha…

> 2. Founder's wife physically inanimate Horvath, making her unwelcome and scared.

If someone inanimated me, I would quite right then and there. Thats some freaky x-men shit.

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There seems to be several problems. Not entirely sexism. 1. Founder's wife asked Horvath out and gave her a lecture about who is the boss. Probably out of jealousy. 2. Founder's wife physically inanimate Horvath, making her unwelcome and scared. 3. Founder did not stop the wife and protect his wife. 4. Horvath was approached by a male co-worker and according to her her rejection had caused tension between her and tha…

To clarify for many of you, you don't need someone shouting "I HATE WOMEN" for sexism to be occurring. The sexism in this scenario is subtle and persistent, something that likely tainted all of the workplace interactions at github, allowing a female employee's problems at work to be continually ignored. This eventually built up to the issue most people are focusing on, a founders spouse being allowed to harass an emp…

Why are those mutually exclusive? I get that women don't like being ogled upon, but if you are hula-hooping in the workplace, that's bound to attract some attention and not because you are such a smart person (althou you can certainly have fun and be smart). I wasn't there so I can't tell what the tenor was but I suspect that Horvath's state of mind due to the extreme pressure might have exaggerated that incident. I've seen comments throughout the thread saying she should have gotten help on the dick coworker reverting her code. In that environment it's very easy to become unsure of herself. She wasn't getting help with the founder-wife issue, why would HR respond to this? I've been wondering about Atlassian for a while. Maybe I should take a second look.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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It's not what or whether they were watching, it's how they were watching. It's a judgement call but pretty easy to tell if a group is leering or just watching friends have fun.

Even more so, it is the sexual attractiveness of the guys who are watching.

are you implying that if it had been an attractive male watching the females, there wouldn't have been any complaint, despite being leered at?

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Actually people are 13. When it comes to social behavior adults are just tall children.

I tend to favour the term "Savage Infants" personally, but "Tall Children" is a winner too, I shall remember that one.

"Try to act your age, not your shoe size" sometimes works when trying to restore order with a group of 25 rowdy teenagers (I'm a teacher).

Recently, however, the smart ones have been shouting back "British or European?"

Thanks for tall children...

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I, as a male, try to avoid staring at another female because I fear someone like Horvath accuses me of sexism. This is, sadly, the best thing to do because you don't know who is going to take offense. PS: To avoid looking one-sided and narrow (which I believe I'm not) I really feel bad about this whole situation and the lady who had to go through that. Personally liked a github as a company.

And I, as a male, try not to stare at anybody because I'm not a fucking asshole.

So I take it you abstain from attending any presentations, talks, or conferences? Or do you just turn your chair around and face the back?

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> creepily staring at an employee in the gym That's not what the article says: > The final straw for Horvath came when she saw men gawking at women who were hula-hooping at the office. [...] Two women, one of whom I work with and adore, and a friend of hers were hula hooping to some music. Emphasis on at the office . It sounds like they were making some kind of show. While I agree that the rest of the story sounds li…

If this commentor is to be believed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7408466 Then it was not only in the office, but in the office during a party to boot.

Right. It sounds like Horvath completely misinterpreted it, then. That said, the rest of her points look solid enough that it doesn't detract from the overall issue of mismanagement.

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"I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be.” --Isaac Asimov

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I'd rather just have a "zero fuckwits rule" in hiring. It sounds like Github breached that rule, leading to this problem. You could possibly avoid all sexual harassment by having only men in the workplace, but if they were still fuckwits and assholes, you'd have other employment problems.

Spotting a fuckwit during a best-behaviour interview is difficult.

that's why you have a probation period, normally 3 months, but longer if necessary.

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You put those words in my mouth, buddy. To clarify, social ineptitude combined with a degree of self-assured narcissism, resulting in a total disregard for the opinions of other people which don't jive with the most "logical" worldview. It's possible to be socially introverted and still considerate to other people.

"You put those words in my mouth, buddy" To be fair, just a few comments up you said "I think you'll like this:" and then posted a link to a comic making fun of 'socially awkward', 'atheist', 'fedora wearers'.

I posted that after this convo occurred but I guess they were right, I hate fedoras!
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