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Somehow, furtive glances doesn't come across much better.
It is possible to check someone out without staring at them and without looking like a creep.
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Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit
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#282The article quotes JAH's email as saying, "Two women, one of whom I work with and adore, and a friend of hers were hula hooping to some music. I didn’t have a problem with this. What I did have a problem with is the line of men sitting on one bench facing the hoopers and gawking at them. It looked like something out of a strip club. When I brought this up to male coworkers, they didn’t see a problem with it. But for…
If someone were to hula-hoop to music in my office, male or female, I am pretty sure there would be a lot of people looking on. Not sure where the line of "looking on" and "gawking" is in that situation.
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"Dropped the ball" ?!?!!??!?!?! This is so far beyond inappropriate. If it is even 10% true then there are serious organisational problems at that company. I am gobsmacked that people are leaping to downplay these accusations, without knowing anything about it.
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> Men are worse than women at being able to effectively mediate conflicts between two members of the opposite sex.
Do you have any sort of justification for this archaic, idiotic and entirely out-of-place sexism?
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#284I'm interested in why so many people on that anonymous social network didn't like her so much.
'Made our jobs infinitely harder. Good fucking riddance.'
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I do agree that the bullies will be protected and promoted. Unfortunately the legal action doesn't really solve the problem. Usually the companies just find loopholes around whatever they were sued for an it is business as usual. For most companies once you get large enough the question is not if you will be sued, but when you will be sued. The incentives need to be changed to change the system.....which would mean a…
Your comment makes no sense to me. How would throwing out capitalism take sexual harassment with it?
It doesn't take it with it directly, but it dismantles some of the extreme power differential.
Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit
#286There seems to be several problems. Not entirely sexism. 1. Founder's wife asked Horvath out and gave her a lecture about who is the boss. Probably out of jealousy. 2. Founder's wife physically inanimate Horvath, making her unwelcome and scared. 3. Founder did not stop the wife and protect his wife. 4. Horvath was approached by a male co-worker and according to her her rejection had caused tension between her and tha…
>While the founder is right about avoiding dating someone in your own company This is one of my pet peeves. This is a professional setting and the employees are not 13. They should be mature enough to be able to handle their personal lives without bans or frown upons. Someone can't handle rejection? Who says he/she can handle criticism? What about disagreements? To me this is a personality problem that should be deal…
Actually people are 13. When it comes to social behavior adults are just tall children.
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#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're missing the point. From this story alone, it seems the company is run by individuals who never mentally developed out of high school. Those incidents you mentioned are merely a red flag of the immaturity of some of these people. Awkwardly hitting on an employee to a point of discomfort, messing with someone's work cause they turned you down to a date, creepily staring at an employee in the gym; you should at l…
> creepily staring at an employee in the gym That's not what the article says: > The final straw for Horvath came when she saw men gawking at women who were hula-hooping at the office. [...] Two women, one of whom I work with and adore, and a friend of hers were hula hooping to some music. Emphasis on at the office . It sounds like they were making some kind of show. While I agree that the rest of the story sounds li…
If this commentor is to be believed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7408466
Then it was not only in the office, but in the office during a party to boot.
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#288While the 'wife' aspect has drawn a lot of attention, it seems that through her marriage she may essentially have a founder's level of equity in the company. I don't know the personalities involved, but she might also have relevant professional experience, and/or have been genuinely helpful in handling thorny issues in the past (even if this case clearly escalated into many kinds of mutual suspicion and recriminations).
So it seems you could replace 'wife' in the retelling with 'early investor and advisor', and be equally accurate, but without the extra (gender-loaded) implication of improper influence being exercised by some meddling consort.
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#289I'm not entirely sure the hula-hooping incident - merely observing girls hula hooping is not a crime, is it? - by itself constitutes a hostile atmosphere for women, unless inappropriate comments were being made. What we have here is some completely inappropriate, cloak and dagger, soap opera shit being perpetrated by the wife of the cofounder, who has no business meddling in the affairs of his employees. (If true, th…
I don't think it creates a 'hostile' atmosphere per say. Obviously if both parties are alight with the situation then it's fine for them. I think it's an inappropriate one for a workplace though. This comes down to company culture. The problem isn't the women hula hooping, a casual environment means such things will happen. People will exercise together, work on hobbies, etc. The problem is that in a work environment…
>and that means not cat-calling your co-workers.
There was no cat-calling in this case, so why bring that up? I suppose you could mention also that it's not okay to rape your co-workers too. Kinda disingenuous though, isn't it? Bringing it up in the context of this story implies that it happened.
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#290The bad actor in this version of the story seems to be the founder's wife. And the founder certainly dropped the ball by not keeping his wife in line. For whatever reason, the wife acted crazy, intimidating, and creepy toward Horvath. Why? Who knows? Maybe because of jealousy or concern that her husband was interested in this (admittedly reasonably attractive) female employee? The founder needed to do the professiona…
> keeping his wife in line. I have never cringed so hard in my life.
According the the story we have so far, he should have actually kept his wife in line but failed to do so. You only cringe because you read too much into what he said.