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Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by zobzu »

aiiane wrote: post #39
rds2000 wrote: post #13

1. What part of the article above would be considered hearsay? Aside from the screenshots, it feels the least bit gossipy. 2. Right to confront accusers? This seems extremely one-sided. No one she blames gets to defend themselves, where are the witnesses on either side?

Er, it's not like she's anonymously accusing them. They can confront her any time they want.

pretty sure they're consulting their lawyers, HR, and everyone involved before they're going to make any move.

which.. sounds smart.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by kisstheblade »

omegaworks wrote: post #40
mynameishere wrote: post #28

Crazy how women can turn even canonically geeky/boring things like Github into soap operas like "General Hospital". You've got to wonder what kind of drama occurs in actual hospitals, with alpha-doctors and nurses side-by-side. I've heard stories.

Of course, it's always the women that make things dramatic. Not the power fetish of the founder's wife, the unwanted advances of coworkers, or the reverting of legitimate contributions to the team's project. Can't you see past the fact that she's a woman? Don't you see how demoralizing any of this would be?

Yes but that hula-hoop description really makes her seem like a feminist drama queen, doesn't it?

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by LockeWatts »

zobzu wrote: post #89
johnny22 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the dude going back and deleting her code after the rejection seems pretty hostile to me.

its super hostile. i would hope there are logs for this - but i wouldn't be surprised if there were none. as said higher it seems highly possible that she has no proof of anything - which means, if she's actually honest, she can't do much (except contacting a bunch of news sites and trying to make a big story out of it) imagine this "i did all this work but someone deleted it! worked 2 weeks on it!" while in fact you…

It's GitHub, of course there are logs of code commits ;)

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by barce »

The law is very clear on discriminating against someone by virtue of race, gender and/or age in a work situation.

A lawyer could make a very good case just based on her side of the story for the law being broken.

Against the coder who undid her work because he was rejected by a woman, that is classic retaliation pure and simple. Most cases like this that don't go to court settle in the Valley for $250k. It's a million at a minimum in the Valley if it does go to court.

As far as the wife goes, there was so much innuendo in the article that I wasn't sure what to conclude. Was the wife suggesting she hook up with her husband because a happy husband would make the former employee's situation better? If so, another classic open and shut case.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by dangero »

intortus wrote: post #77
dangero wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah this section really damaged her credibility for me. She says the guys were "gawking", so they were not saying anything inappropriate, just "staring openly and stupidly". I can picture a professional business environment where gawking would be inappropriate, but I have a hard time picturing that environment with women hula hooping to music. Plus is gawking a crime? Yes, those random employees were being unprofess…

I didn't know that TechCrunch was strictly involved with reporting crime. (Btw, TechCrunch asked.)

TechCrunch asked what?

I meant crime in a figurative sense: "an action or activity that, although not illegal, is considered to be evil, shameful, or wrong.". I've quit a lot of jobs, but I've never felt a desire to correspond with the press as to why. My assumption would be that if I ever did want to share my misgivings with the press, I would want to share the substantial ones, not the petty ones. I'm just saying this seems like a petty issue that in my opinion weakens the overall narrative.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by balozi »

bitops wrote: post #53

As usual, another HN thread that perfectly exemplifies victim blaming and a collective burying of heads in the sand. There's a few people on here who seem to get it, but most don't. I'm sick of it. Goodbye, Hacker News.

The only victims here were the other poor employees that had put up with this nonsense from this crazy cast of characters.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by LockeWatts »

zobzu wrote: post #93
eropple wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is super screwed up enough, I think we can do without the random guesses, yeah?

not sure whats wrong with guesses specially if there's a disclaimer saying it's his guess, actually... otherwise, might as well not think of comment at all, since there would be nothing to say. (that goes for many, many other topics)

Guessing could get a random employee at GitHub who is completely innocent targeted with a lot of hatemail he didn't deserve.

Just because someone says "I'm guessing", doesn't mean people wouldn't roll with it.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by pbateman »

bitops wrote: post #53

As usual, another HN thread that perfectly exemplifies victim blaming and a collective burying of heads in the sand. There's a few people on here who seem to get it, but most don't. I'm sick of it. Goodbye, Hacker News.

I'm sick of it. Goodbye, Hacker News.

I know this is going to come across as unfriendly, but I'm always bemused when people make these little plays for attention. It's a massive site, you're not one of the notable commenters, if HN isn't delivering value why not just stop reading it quietly rather than announcing it to the world?

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by argonaut »

bitops wrote: post #53

As usual, another HN thread that perfectly exemplifies victim blaming and a collective burying of heads in the sand. There's a few people on here who seem to get it, but most don't. I'm sick of it. Goodbye, Hacker News.

Are we reading the same thread? I'm seeing a fairly balanced mix of perspectives.

I think we tend to overestimate the level of idiocy because it resonates much more strongly (in a negative way) in our heads.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by Aqueous »

I'm not entirely sure the hula-hooping incident - merely observing girls hula hooping is not a crime, is it? - by itself constitutes a hostile atmosphere for women, unless inappropriate comments were being made.

What we have here is some completely inappropriate, cloak and dagger, soap opera shit being perpetrated by the wife of the cofounder, who has no business meddling in the affairs of his employees. (If true, this is completely bizarre behavior.) But I'm not entirely sure this hostility was directed at her simply because she was a woman.

She is absolutely justified in getting the fuck out of dodge, either way.

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