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Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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Post by o0o0_ooo »

chillwaves wrote: post #330
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #121

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Lifelong Chicagoan here. I've never, ever had these issues and all my run-ins with cops have been fairly uneventful, if not pleasant. Chicago cops have better things to do than give traffic tickets usually and the last time I got pulled over (blew through red from a fast yellow) and I was just let go with a warning. Recently, there is a mentally unstable person in my neighborhood and he decided to sit on my porch and…

You are literally comparing cops to gangbangers (oh, but at least they aren't as bad). If you are doing that, you might as well do it per capita. Are there 150,000 cops in Chicago as well?

Only about 12,000 in the CPD according to Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Police_Department

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Post by brandonbloom »

songshu wrote: post #325
brandonbloom wrote: post #221

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you just can't do police work if you don't have a working camera This is already becoming the policy in many forward thinking agencies. they just need to stream somewhere with associated meta data There are real challenges, both technical and practical. Technically, you've got to worry about connectivity and battery life. Practically, somebody has to pay for it all! There's also many genuine use cases for turning off…

Thanks, that actually made me feel more optimistic about it, although I hadn't thought of the issues you raise. Keeping a camera charged and working shouldn't be harder than other maintenance already needed such as keeping a firearm clean or keeping a car on the road. If we refine the condition to "you can't appear in public or interact with the public without your camera" then the bathroom problem goes away. Connect…

There will be no singular panacea for corruption. However, I'd rather put a camera on every officer on their own terms now, rather than pray for them to magically cooperate with some all-or-nothing plan in the future. If nothing else, it will make a strict plan easier to move to later.

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Post by meric »

drdeca wrote: post #339
jpambrun wrote: post #254

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This is also what I initially understood. But still, it means that if I get 100 cops in a room, about 40 have been or will be in an abusive relationship. That is still very telling/surprising.

Does this also mean that of 100 randomly selected people (of whom an ordinary proportion are cops), that about 20 of them have been or will be in an abusive relationship? I don't mean to downplay the 40 number in the police case (which is very high and kind of terrifying), but, 20% is still a lot! (and so, 40% is even more). That's, for every 5, 1, on average! That is shockingly high. wow?

Yelling is domestic violence. I think 20% is a bit low.

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Post by mindslight »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #183
pjc50 wrote: post #8

Until police are jailed for this, nothing will improve. What's the US equivalent of the Independent Police Complaints Commission?

But the only public protests I hear about these things are from #BlackLivesMatter people. And when pursuing it from their perspective, it gets treated as a racism problem rather than a problem of institutional power being out of balance. We can't look at how the police routinely abuse power when we've got the lens focusing on how the police abuse black people. (Lest I be accused of racism and/or insensitivity: yes, r…

Thank you. People think they're doing double advocacy by tying the issue to race. What they're really doing is framing the issue in a way that makes it seem completely irrelevant to the median self-absorbed voter.

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Post by oh_sigh »

tingol wrote: post #329
Juz16 wrote: post #217

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The thing to keep in mind is that America isn't as homogeneous as a European country, it's as diverse as the entire European continent. Would you say that Denmark is a dreadful mess because of the crime rate in Serbia? Probably not.

Even including the "safe" parts of the US in the equation the murders per capita rate is three times higher than Serbia. If you count police shootings the numbers get so crazy compared to any other first world country it is pretty safe to say there is a problem.

Not at all.

For example New Hampshire has a murder rate much lower than Serbia, England, or France. It is more on lines with Germany.

Also, everyone collects murder states differently. The US usually publishes states from the FBI, whose logic is basically "there is a dead body and it looks like someone else did it". The UK, on the other hand, has the Home Office publish murder rates in terms of convictions, which necessarily will be less than the number of bodies.

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Post by dtornabene »

tptacek wrote: post #251
kasey_junk wrote: post #244

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I think the truth is somewhere between your guys' position. There is a very real statistical difference between the crime rates between neighborhoods. But its also true that the actual incident rate is much exaggerated by the media and perceptions of neighborhood differences are greater than reality. One thing that is for sure, young black teens/men have a much, much more dangerous time of it, regardless of neighborh…

I think we probably agree completely. Also, can we all agree that we'd feel a lot less safe in Wrigleyville after a Cubs game than anywhere else in the city?

a thousand times this. I've lived in Wrigleyville, Lincoln Park, Jeff Park, Wicker Park (almost humboldt, probably technically humboldt). Worked all across the south side. Worked downtown at a coffee kiosk. The places I've felt most unsafe were Wrigley during/after cubs game and downtown after the blackhawks won. I've been assaulted both ways.

Edit -> forgot LoganSq!!!

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Post by dtornabene »

logfromblammo wrote: post #322
tptacek wrote: post #301

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It's hard to think of a neighborhood within the limits of the city of Chicago where you could be "out of place" for being black or hispanic, since we have huge black and hispanic populations. Beverly, maybe? But that seems like an exception that proves the rule, since Beverly is effectively a south suburb. I do not at all doubt that if you are an "urban" looking black person wandering around a suburb like Kenilworth…

It supposedly happened to a friend of the spouse who doesn't have a lot of common sense. I have no reason to question its veracity, because if anyone was ever in need of a professionally delivered assessment of "WTF are you doing here this late?", it was her. The cops were apparently able to make the assessment of "drunk and stupid" over "trying to buy drugs". Though now that I think of it, maybe it was both. And thi…

Eh, there are definitely places south of Belmont but North of downtown. Like, say, Gold Coast.

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Post by bbradley406 »

logfromblammo wrote: post #263
mbesto wrote: post #182

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Heh, the elected officials are exactly the problem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_history_of_Chicago#C... I grew up in Chicago, my family is still there, and most of my colleagues are based there. There is weird pseudo-Stockholm syndrome phenomenon where people just accept that the corruption is widespread and unavoidable.

Basically, it's all Gotham and no Batman.

Any chance this contributed to the Dark Knight being filmed there? Choosing Chicago for the cityscape makes sense by itself but the film focused heavily on corruption.

I found a nice breakdown of scene / real locations while looking into this: http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/d/DarkKnight.html

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Post by jMyles »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #230
jMyles wrote: post #193

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> then what you have is not a police force, but a criminal organization. This is the only reasonable conclusion, and it's neither new nor particularly controversial. The real question is: what to do about it?

Leave. Frictionless and painless. (I left Chicago after living there for ~2 decades)

> Frictionless and painless.

I can't imagine this is true.

What if you are flat broke? What if you have an elderly dependent in a nearby nursing home? A relative in a nearby prison? A child in the local schools?

It might be easy for some, but not for all.

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Post by rorykoehler »

shitgoose wrote: post #295
shitgoose wrote: post #291

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"bullies, criminals and injustice" are the police. this whole rather depressing discussion is dedicated to the consequences of standing up to police. again, your choice is simple - bend or be shot.

here is another "self-defense" by Toronto police: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx2iQnYMQfM first 3 bullets in the chest, then 6 in already dead body, then taser the corpse. policemen successfully argued self-defense and was charged with attempted (???) murder. the only reason why this made to trial, was because video was released to public. otherwise he would have walked.

I thought they were supposed to use a taser first and live fire as a last resort? What in the world were they thinking? The guy is clearly not conscious/possibly already dead and then they taser him?
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