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Whatever the temporal basis of comparaison, it kind of means that any relationship involving a cop is more likely to result in abuse. no?
Yes. But it doesn't mean that, given a random sampling of 100 cops in relationships, you could expect ~40 of those to be currently abusive of their partners.
Also, corrupt cops are a very real thing in Chicago. Dated a girl briefly in Lakeview who warned me that I didn't want to meet her dad as he was a cop and it eventually came out that he was pretty fucking corrupt.
The relationship ended for other reasons, but holy crap was I determined to end it amicably. Last thing I wanted was to be on the shitlist of a corrupt Chicago cop/dad.
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If it's that bad in Chicago, then what you have is not a police force, but a criminal organization. Who's overseeing them? Are your elected officials powerless to do any thing?
Heh, the elected officials are exactly the problem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_history_of_Chicago#C... I grew up in Chicago, my family is still there, and most of my colleagues are based there. There is weird pseudo-Stockholm syndrome phenomenon where people just accept that the corruption is widespread and unavoidable.
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Americas biggest problem in the inner cities. They are literally ghettos were gangs and violence run rampant. The schools are pure shit. The kids have no future. The cops crack down hard (half because they have to in order to maintain any semblance of peace, half because they become jaded). But that part of America is shockingly isolated from the rest of us. Chicago is a great example. There are blocks where on side…
> Americas biggest problem in the inner cities. This is absolutely not true. Have you ever lived in an inner city? Yes some people are fighting with each other but if you act respectfully, you'll be left alone. The police aren't cracking down because they "have to". They're cracking down (e.g. stop and frisk) because they're power hungry and ignorant. As someone who's lived in all manner of socioeconomic areas of the…
I've lived in downtown areas of Chicago and DC, but never what people mean when they say "inner city" (i.e. ghetto).
They won't leave you alone. They'll rob you or break into your car. Criminals murder and steal from the people who live there at alarming rates.
They don't really leave the ghetto (other than one summer when kids did flash mobs in Chicago). So I could live in Chicago and feel entirely safe.
But last time I spent time in Englewood--a woman I was meeting with had her car broken into within 15minutes of parking on a major intersection.
>As someone who's lived in all manner of socioeconomic areas of the US, I would say without hesitation that the biggest problem here is the cost of healthcare, education and housing.
These are extremely middle class problems. Most people don't need or want a post-secondary education. 85% people have healthcare coverage. Housing is only bad in a few upper middle class areas.
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To be fair to branchless... Chicago's crime rate is not all that high. It certainly would not make a list of the top 50 crime cities in the US. Or even the top 100. ( http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/t... ) So, I'm thinking, branchless' thought process probably goes something like this... "If Chicago is this bad with crime and corruption... what must the rest of the US be like???" Having men…
30th in murder rate though: http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/top-lists/highest-murder-ra...
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Lifelong Chicagoan here. I've never, ever had these issues and all my run-ins with cops have been fairly uneventful, if not pleasant. Chicago cops have better things to do than give traffic tickets usually and the last time I got pulled over (blew through red from a fast yellow) and I was just let go with a warning. Recently, there is a mentally unstable person in my neighborhood and he decided to sit on my porch and…
"Also, not to attack the GP, but there is a Chicago cyclist personality I see frequently. They do dick moves with their bikes, cause accidents, never obey any traffic law, scream at pedestrians, and constantly pretend to be innocent and are often incredibly confrontational when criticized. I can't imagine cops being nice to these people and the GP sounds like one of these people, which may explain many of his experie…
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As a pedestrian and a driver... screw the bikers. 95% of them are really shitty. The other 5% are well experienced in biking, and they hate the 95% of the other ones as well.
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I'm moving to Chicago in a few months. Are there certain neighborhoods that should be avoided on the basis of corrupt police activity? I wonder because I could see neighborhoods that are relatively safe in terms of civilian crime, but cops posted in that area might have nothing better to do than mess with its inhabitants.
Some of these posts here are a joke. Chicago is like any other major US city, probably better than the mid-tier cities I've spent time living in in terms of police and crime. It's simply very much two cities and you only hear news stories about one. Just like anywhere else, don't act like an idiot or seek out trouble in rough areas and 99% of your interactions with police will be fine. You're on HackerNews so presuma…
This isn't the experience of many minorities and poor people.
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30th in murder rate though: http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/top-lists/highest-murder-ra...
Murder rate is probably the only statistic that can be trusted. Police are under lots of pressure to make sure crime stats go down, and it's really easy to misclassify or ignore reports for things like armed robbery or rape. A body is harder to hide.
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What's the bar for 'at all'? People seem to speak (at least relatively) favorably of the new policing situation in Camden, the old department was disbanded: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden_Police_Department_%28Ne... That's a large municipality discarding their entire police organization and creating a new one.
the police officers have been fired?
I don't mean to hang my hat on that particular case, as stonemetal points out, there is overlap between the new department and old department:
http://camdencountypd.org/senior-leaders/
But if we today have a situation where only egregious problems get attention, we should probably not mistake that for a situation where no problems get attention, because it's likely that the latter would be far worse.
There's also the opportunity to look for good outcomes and try to replicate them, rather than coming up with brand new solutions.
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To be fair to branchless... Chicago's crime rate is not all that high. It certainly would not make a list of the top 50 crime cities in the US. Or even the top 100. ( http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/t... ) So, I'm thinking, branchless' thought process probably goes something like this... "If Chicago is this bad with crime and corruption... what must the rest of the US be like???" Having men…
30th in murder rate though: http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/top-lists/highest-murder-ra...
It's Chicago HEIGHTS, IL.
Different city.
And EAST Chicago, IN.
Different STATE.
You have to be careful when you read these lists. For instance, there are a lot of Pine Bluffs in the United States, so you want to be sure that you talk about the right one when discussing murder rates.
But even if you only count the murder rate...
Chicago... the Chicago that we're discussing on this thread... would not make the list of the top 30 as is plainly evident.
there are far, far worse places than Chicago in the US. Lots of them. And there are far, far better places than Chicago in the US. Lots of them.