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Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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I do not understand how these cannot be made idiot proof and cop proof. You can buy the simplest dash cams from China that record HD video and sound that take mere minutes to set up for under a hundred bucks. The first step needs to mandate a tamper proof system and disabling of any police car from leaving they yard unless the device passes on all tests. Then it should be required to report periodically to a central location if it is working and if not the officer can be directed to obtain a new car. Any device found damaged or tampered with should be a federal offense and investigated by the FBI.

As in, those given the ultimate responsibility should be held the most strict standard. Don't like it, get out.

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That police have the emotional and intellectual maturity of children wouldn't be so bad if they didn't also wantonly kill innocent people largely without consequence.

Just another fine example of the American police state, but I'm sure some fascist can explain away.

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post #2

I do not understand how these cannot be made idiot proof and cop proof. You can buy the simplest dash cams from China that record HD video and sound that take mere minutes to set up for under a hundred bucks. The first step needs to mandate a tamper proof system and disabling of any police car from leaving they yard unless the device passes on all tests. Then it should be required to report periodically to a central…

These steps may be necessary, but how much of their behavior will change? And at what cost? Maybe it is time to evaluate training methods, hire people who have more empathy for powerful positions like police?

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post #2

I do not understand how these cannot be made idiot proof and cop proof. You can buy the simplest dash cams from China that record HD video and sound that take mere minutes to set up for under a hundred bucks. The first step needs to mandate a tamper proof system and disabling of any police car from leaving they yard unless the device passes on all tests. Then it should be required to report periodically to a central…

Think of how easy it is to spin that politically. "Why did crime rates go up? Because 20% of our patrol officers were stuck in a garage waiting for camera techs at any given time."

Also remember that many American cities finances are in a shambles (and Chicago is a prime example). Hiring enough techs or more officers to make up the difference your rules will require is simply not an option.

I don't disagree with the sentiment, and I hope federal law starts to treat police camera tampering as a major offense, but there is not an easy technical fix to the problem.

Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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That police have the emotional and intellectual maturity of children wouldn't be so bad if they didn't also wantonly kill innocent people largely without consequence. Just another fine example of the American police state, but I'm sure some fascist can explain away.

Maturity?

You see this as a prank?

I think you're on the wrong foot here. The premise of the cameras was not that they were there for decorative effect as some sort of symbol to be vandalized.

I see it as a majority of the Chicago police force destroying evidence and equipment necessary to investigate their actions. This is open rebellion with the intent to escape justice - though for what crime specifically we may never know.

Any proveably "deliberate" tampering should end in a firing, revocation of pension, and then court case brought against them. Any deliberate tampering during which the officer sustains a complaint against them? Enter this into presumptive evidence against the officer and recommend prosecution. We started monitoring the officer because it turns out they can't be trusted as much as we thought - slipping our monitoring and destroying our property is an overtly hostile act, the same as openly slitting the tires of an Internal Affairs agent in the process of investigating the officer.

To deter it in the future: ramp up the random checks (you did have random checks... right? I should be able to pick a random time and download footage) and enter in punitive fines for poorly maintained or operated cameras; Raise salary slightly to make it budget-neutral, but pay for prompt repair first.

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A big part of the problem is our system is set up to favor the governent-- when there's a trial, the judge, the prosecutor, the cops (who handle and control all the evidence) the lab (many scandals in the past 40 years about fraudulent lab work) all work for the government. Even your lawyer is compromised by not being allowed to make certain arguments and the risk of offending the judge (Who there will be future cases before.) The jury are given blatantly tampering instructions from the judge, eliminating much of the value of an independent jury system.

So, who is going to try cops when they are corrupt?

By what mechanism can we the people enforce the law on our own government?

It seems silly to go before our own government and beg for them to obey their own laws.

Sometimes we get lucky- like gay marriage- but how many decades did that take? It was 1980s when the supreme court ruled that sodomy could be criminalized on the basis of "a thousand years of christian tradition" (namely NOT on the basis of the constitution.)

So of course, we will continue to see more and more corruption until like AIDS is now, and the wars overseas -- the news simply stops reporting about it, because it has become the background noise of the society we live in.

That's going the wrong direction.

I'm far more afraid of being killed by a random cop than I am by Walmart or anything in walmart. They all have an incentive to keep me safe so I'll keep buying. They would face consequences (not even criminal, just market consequences) if they were killing people.

Cops on the other hand, they get away with it. And blatantly do day in and day out.

Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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Until police are jailed for this, nothing will improve. What's the US equivalent of the Independent Police Complaints Commission?

There is no national body that oversees police, but Chicago has the Independent Police Review Authority. However IPRA rarely upholds complaints against police (it's staffed by ex-cops and other people connected to the police), and recently an investigator was fired after finding a shooting unjustified[1].

[1] http://www.wbez.org/news/city-fires-investigator-who-found-c...

Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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post #2

I do not understand how these cannot be made idiot proof and cop proof. You can buy the simplest dash cams from China that record HD video and sound that take mere minutes to set up for under a hundred bucks. The first step needs to mandate a tamper proof system and disabling of any police car from leaving they yard unless the device passes on all tests. Then it should be required to report periodically to a central…

Think of how easy it is to spin that politically. "Why did crime rates go up? Because 20% of our patrol officers were stuck in a garage waiting for camera techs at any given time." Also remember that many American cities finances are in a shambles (and Chicago is a prime example). Hiring enough techs or more officers to make up the difference your rules will require is simply not an option. I don't disagree with the…

The spin on the other side would be just as intuitive: "Our police officers are more concerned with getting away with abuse of power than following the law they're supposed to enforce, and as a result, tens (to hundreds) of millions in taxpayer money is being spent on lawsuit payouts, essentially a bailout for bad behavior."

While I agree that cameras should be required and intentional tampering a crime, I think behaviors would change much more quickly if laws were put in place to dock pensions and pay across the board to compensate for lawsuits of wrongful death and the like. Suddenly the "blue wall of silence" would become a very vocal supporter of police reform to identify and get rid of bad apples that threaten everybody's pension. Incentives are very powerful tools for changing behavior, much more powerful than blanket force by bodycam laws.

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