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TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by throwaway29812 »

CyanBird wrote: post #317
throwaway29812 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has the US Gov utilized data from private companies to aid in the targeting and internment of their own citizens ? https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/12/09/china-big-data-program-t...

> US Gov utilized data from private companies Yes https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/19/us-immigrati... https://www.wsj.com/articles/federal-agencies-use-cellphone-... https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/10/23065080/ice-surveillance...

1. Not citizens.

2. Not for imprisonment (although deportation is an ugly business no matter the context).

3. Not working with companies, working with shady third-party data brokers that companies themselves would like to see shut down.

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Post by beej71 »

akomtu wrote: post #272
beej71 wrote: post #239

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If we're deciding the government has the ability to shut down social media apps for "national security", I want some seriously beefy protections in there to prevent abuse. That slope is genuinely for-real dangerously slippery, and scares me 100x more than the scary stuff TikTok is doing now. The ban was right to be challenged--if Trump could legally justify it, let him do that in court. And if he couldn't, there's pr…

It's not a slippery slope to ban a foreign survelliance app made by an adversary. Freedom of speech in the US applies only to the US citizens.

Then there should be no problem getting this through the courts, right?

All I'm asking for here is some guarantee that this won't be used to shut down social networks that some government entity dislikes for personal reasons. Because I know for a fact that some people who have been in power wanted to do exactly that.

We should all be demanding this.

Ban TikTok, but do it narrowly with a lot of protections.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by paskozdilar »

e40 wrote: post #137
paskozdilar wrote: post #6

It's a ticking time-bomb. Tick-tock.

Watchmen reference?

No, I haven't watched Watchmen (heh).

I just found the similarity between the app's name and onomatopoeia of a bomb countdown-timer funny.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by cwkoss »

moistly wrote: post #311
cwkoss wrote: post #260

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US kills and tortures its own citizens if they are labeled 'criminals' or 'terrorists', or just lets cops murder activists without being charged. US has heavy surveillance infrastructure, and a kafkaesque 'private' credit system that I have no doubt the TLAs can manipulate with their banking partners. US politicians are currently working to ban the histories of racism and genocide from public schools when they make t…

On a personal level, sure, you’re right. On the longer, broader timespan, you are wrong. Democracy, human rights, personal freedom: That’s what’s on the line, and it is foolish to be cavalier about the situation.

I think you're overly discounting the chance of the US devolving into overt authoritarian fascism. We paint a thin veneer of democracy over political actions today, but our rights and protections in the US are disappearing rapidly already.

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Post by vore »

jacooper wrote: post #292
vore wrote: post #175

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No, I think they're saying Facebook is bad but having an entity tied to a not-so-friendly government do it on a much larger scale is worse.

As if the U.S is a totally friendly government to the entire world ? Iraq, Afghanistan and many other countries the US destroyed would sure disagree.

I did not say the US government was friendly, nor does the context of TikTok operating in the US have anything remotely to do with Iraq or Afghanistan.

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Post by moistly »

cwkoss wrote: post #334
moistly wrote: post #311

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On a personal level, sure, you’re right. On the longer, broader timespan, you are wrong. Democracy, human rights, personal freedom: That’s what’s on the line, and it is foolish to be cavalier about the situation.

I think you're overly discounting the chance of the US devolving into overt authoritarian fascism. We paint a thin veneer of democracy over political actions today, but our rights and protections in the US are disappearing rapidly already.

I fully agree. And that doesn’t discount at all my assertion that anti-Democratic foreign intelligence agencies pose an existential threat to our Democracies. A lot of what threatens your personal safety has been exacerbated by foreign influence.

Are names of political systems to be capitalized or not? It feels to me that a word like Authoritarian should be capitalized, but then it would demand that, while democracy cowers in lowercase.

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Post by theplumber »

kube-system wrote: post #136
theplumber wrote: post #120

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The few legislative protections apply mainly to U.S citizens. I guess the europeans and the rest of the world is doomed. Of course CCP is not same as the U.S government but we know that when money/interests of U.S corporations or U.S government is at stake bad things happen(i.e data is/could be weaponized).

What I’m mostly referring to are the laws that enable autonomy of business decisions, and those implications apply regardless of citizenship.

>> What I’m mostly referring to are the laws that enable autonomy of business

In practice big corporations bow to gov demands (i.e apple, microsoft etc via PRISM) as they value their relationship with the government. The small companies don't have the resources to fight the gov (i.e NSA). You may see some smokescreen(i.e that Apple iphone vs FBI) but it's not the first time we see that ki d of stuff/PR. The only thi g you may trust is e2e encryption and open source

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Post by theplumber »

leaflets2 wrote: post #323
vorpalhex wrote: post #155

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You keep jumping into every convo with this weak retort. Google and Apple aren't rounding up Muslims into camps.

I think some of the people here are paid by the CCP to try to spread propaganda? Maybe not GP but generally ... The 50 Cent Army

I just can't stand cheap propaganda. Yeah reeducation of muslims in a chinese provice is bad for human rights but saying this is the reason why the U.S is acting against chinese interests makes me puke.

Are we all that brainwashed? Has the U.S been unaware of the human rights atrocities commited by Saudi Arabia for the past 100 years? Why is the U.S selling weapons, accepts investments(i.e SA owns Apple stock) and hugs SA?

I understand that "simple" people want A "simple" message but I expect a more critical debate here. What's wrong just spelling the truth? i.e: China, a communist state, grown by the U.S(and not only) has become too powerful and now is threating U.S lead world domination(economically and millitary). We must strangle its power and communist influence to preserve our way of life(and our power in the world). I think we are all grown ups here. There is no need to sell a syrupy story.

The U.S just left in a hurry the one place where it could have done something for the muslim women so spare me of the U.S concern of musslims reeducation camps in China.

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Post by theplumber »

vorpalhex wrote: post #155
theplumber wrote: post #26

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Like google, twitter, facebook, instagram, apple and more.

You keep jumping into every convo with this weak retort. Google and Apple aren't rounding up Muslims into camps.

>> Google and Apple aren't rounding up Muslims into camps.

Neither tiktok but the chinese gov does that and the U.S tortures muslims and not only muslims. I think we've got enough about this human rights pretext.

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Post by leaflets2 »

vorpalhex wrote: post #328
leaflets2 wrote: post #323

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I think some of the people here are paid by the CCP to try to spread propaganda? Maybe not GP but generally ... The 50 Cent Army

In general, accusing someone of being a shill is a poor move - even if you are right. Instead I would encourage you to follow up with their comments and guide the argument back to it's basic facts - like that China is rounding up Muslims in camps and may be engaging in forced sterilization, and that allowing TikTok may not align with freedom. Obviously don't spam or just blindly become a shill yourself, but just make…

Hmm I wouldn't use a negatively loaded word like "shill"? It's not the paid trolls who are the problem (some of them might as well have been my friends, had I live at another place. Maybe they need money to feed their kids, who's to blame them for that) -- it's the CCP and Xi who are the problem.

> follow up with their comments and guide the argument back to it's basic facts

If there was time for that. Do you have time for that?

I think there's mostly not time for that. Maybe I'd mostly just delete paid content (CCP propaganda) if it was my forum

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